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King Kalmah

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I, for one, welcome the dystopian cyberpunk future.
 
...I'm quite bummed the government is turning so 1984....

We've discussed cyberwarfare and the government's response to it on a number of threads in the past. Unfortunately, our political prejudices prevent meaningful dialog. Liberal-minded members seem to be unconcerned or unaware of the threats to our country's infrastructure, economy or national security from cyberattack; and see government action as some diabolical conspiracy to eliminate our civil rights. Conservative threaders like myself are preoccupied with cyberthreats, and tend to disregard citizen's legitimate concerns over possible abuse of governmental power. We argue right past one another without engaging.

Oddly enough, out in the real world it's the Democrats that are pushing security legislation, and Republicans blocking it:

Spoiler :
President mulling executive order to fill cybersecurity gap
By Suzanne Kelly, CNN 9Aug12

President Barack Obama is considering whether to issue an executive order to fill a gap in the country's cybersecurity defenses after Congress failed to move forward cybersecurity legislation last week.

Homeland Security adviser John Brennan said failure to pass legislation that would grant the government more authority in heading off cyber intrusions and attacks, has left a gap that the executive branch is working to fill on an interagency basis, using the resources of the Department of Homeland Security, the National Security Agency and the FBI.

"Executive Orders are a good vehicle to actually direct the departments and agencies to do some certain things to make sure that the nation is protected," Brennan said during a question and answer session at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. "We can't wait, so we're doing things, DHS in conjunction with NSA, FBI, others are working to make sure that we are able to better safeguard our environment but also be able to respond but also be able to be resilient."

The Senate bill was considered by many to be a very basic effort to provide a structural security framework for business, in particular for companies that control the country's critical infrastructure, things like the electric grid, water filtration facilities and air traffic control systems. A compromise version of the bill made compliance with basic security measures voluntary.

Brennan said a top priority for the administration is making sure that if hackers or "bad guys" as he put it, are able to take down some part of the nation's critical infrastructure that the government would be able to recover quickly.

"Believe me, the critical infrastructure of this country is under threat and the technology - whether it be foreign states or cyberhackers and others - they are developing advance technologies and we have to improve our defenses on this issue," said Brennan.

Government agencies are seeing cyberintrusions focused on gathering information, data, sometimes trade secrets, but he worries about what comes next, particularly when it comes to safeguarding the country's critical infrastructure, he said.

"The next step is again the disruptive, disabling, disruptive types of attacks and so electric grids, water treatment facilities, mass transportation systems, railways and trains," said Brennan.

"If those intruders get into those systems and then can determine how they can in fact interfere in the command and control systems of these systems, they can do things, they can put trains onto the same tracks, they can bring down electric grid."
 
We've discussed cyberwarfare and the government's response to it on a number of threads in the past. Unfortunately, our political prejudices prevent meaningful dialog. Liberal-minded members seem to be unconcerned or unaware of the threats to our country's infrastructure, economy or national security from cyberattack; and see government action as some diabolical conspiracy to eliminate our civil rights. Conservative threaders like myself are preoccupied with cyberthreats, and tend to disregard citizen's legitimate concerns over possible abuse of governmental power. We argue right past one another without engaging.

I see both sides of it...I agree we need cyber security...I'll even go as far to say that we need to take OUR best hackers and use them like a defense force/tactical team.I think that is what China is currently doing.The great North Eastern Blackout was a wake up call...esp when you consider that the government(Democrats) which has been historically silent on Cybersecurity started talking about cyber security right after that event...

Also if there was an enemy online he/she would not broadcast/advertise what their plans were before the cyber attack....So monitoring everyone is not fair since 99% of the people who are using the internet right now are mostly doing it for social reasons(myspace/facebook/porn) and not for hacking into Government BS/bringing down the grid....

I think we as a nation with our advanced technology should be able to detect a treat before it happens,but I do believe that everyone deserves a little privacy...Also with Wi Fi hotspots(starbucks/McDs) a good hacker/attackers only needs a small window of time to hit the mainframe....then dissappear into the night and who goes to jail?(the owner of the store?)
 
I think we as a nation with our advanced technology should be able to detect a treat before it happens,but I do believe that everyone deserves a little privacy...Also with Wi Fi hotspots(starbucks/McDs) a good hacker/attackers only needs a small window of time to hit the mainframe....then dissappear into the night and who goes to jail?(the owner of the store?)

in a "1984" future, every customer going into the store will be "logged" by facial recognition technology,if not monitored and stored on a data base while in the store... thats what the debate is actually about... should all your movements,transactions, search histories,forum posts, emails SMS,MMS and phone calls, in fact your whole digital life be stored for 7 years (which means forever) by the government in the name of your security, against privacey which will leave loop holes in the security system
its really all or nothing... i already have to show photo ID to snail post a CD game to my friends, when at the post office, even tho I could pre purchase the stamps and post it outside without doing this ... an obvious loop whole to me posting a bomb or anthrax... but a "1984" style future just put me on a data base for this post...
 
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