3 iroquois

[bernie14]

these r some iroquois for niknaks93's expanded native americans...a warrior, a "swordsman" (of sorts) and an axeman....the axeman uses JAGUAR ANIMATONS...

thanks to Ulan for some pointers to nice resources

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[avain]

Cool, thanks bernie! (The "swordsman" is particularly excellent!!!!)

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

Very beautifull set but I'm afraid the third one will be mistaken with an african unit. I think more red body paintings can correct that. Once again, I must say . Please, keep up with it.

 

[siam]

bernie14, this is really cool You are really the master

 

[ripple01]

These are great, bernie14! Please keep them coming, I have the Iroquois and Sioux split in my mod and would be thrilled for a complete set of Iroquois units to match the wonderful Sioux you created.

Thanks,
ripple01

 

[Wolfshanze]

Warrior is superb, Axeman is cool... Swordsman... well... hate to be honest, but I don't like him... on average zoom I'd have to agree he'll look more African then Native American. I'd ditch the dark war paint and think of something else.

How about some buffalo hides or something? Dunno... but I don't like the dark paint.

I think I'll keep using my "Wolf-Skin" Swordsman for now.


Keep up the good work Bernie... you're doing great!

 

[avain]

hmm, I still like the Swordsman

 

[Wolfshanze]

hmm, I still like the Swordsman

The model is good... but the paint is too dark.

 

[bernie14]

thanks everyone...

@wolfshanze....i love the idea of the skins, but it is hard to get the skins to "move" when they are draped over the shoulders and arms...

about the swordsman, i sort of agree, i based him off this....i used to red for the xbowman and the black for this guy....i think i will leave this guy as is, but i will do lighter, or not so heavy black paint on others

 

[sepamu92]

I like the simplicity of the warrior, and all the little things - warpaint, feathers, hairstyle, and even the detail on the loincloth

 

[esnaz]

You really have a talent for these unit textures, they're really something! Great job as always!

 

[Wolfshanze]

about the swordsman, i sort of agree, i based him off this....i used to red for the xbowman and the black for this guy....i think i will leave this guy as is, but i will do lighter, or not so heavy black paint on others

Bernie, not asking you to change anything... your model, do what you want with it... I just think the black swordsman looks nothing like the guy on the left! (JK ).

I had previously found some sort of "wolf-skinned" swordsman native indian guy that I hadn't seen used, so I chose him as my Native Swordsman. He'll remain my swordsman until I find a native swordsman I like better... this black african-looking native guy isn't it (and that's just MY opinion... I'm probably the only guy with that opinion).

Bernie, the model is great, just personally don't care for the dark paint job, but I'll live.

Press-on Bernie... you do great work.

 

[bernie14]

Bernie, the model is great, just personally don't care for the dark paint job, but I'll live.

Press-on Bernie... you do great work.

no problem as avain says, varietas delectat!

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I like the last one as is, but I also can see the issues people raise about it. Perhaps adding a leather texture on the legs like the leggings the fellow has in the picture you used as inspiration? That would help it look distinctly native american as opposed to African. Perhaps sharpening the lines between painted and unpainted skin could help as well. While not necessarily more realistic, it would make it easier to see.

 

[Uhlan]

I like the swordsmen!!! Exactly like the Iroquois club I put in another post... awesome!.

A little less black though on the body, somewhere I had a post that showed some alternatives. As a small figure they do look a bit African.

The Feathered Headdress is dead on for some Iroquois peoples! The "Mohawk" is as well! WELL DONE!!!

Though I would say that the warriors would add red to the head (especially if wearing the "porcupine tuft")and black near the heart or chest as red embodied the warrior spirit and black was a "living" color and protective. Sometimes a hand print about the chest can be seen in some old photographs.

The effect of the red on the bare skin of the head made the white of the eyes stand out a bit giving a fearful visage. Often, the lower half of the face would/could be another color like black. These two colors could trade places about the face.

Altogether a screaming Iroquois, his head bearing a pointy porcupine tuft, bare head painted red, jaws black... perhaps even down to the neckline. Bare chested with perhaps black or simple tanned leggings and wielding that club!? wow...

Yellow represented "death" to many peoples so add with discretion.

Once they got a hold of some "British Scarlet" jackets, these were held in high esteem for the color mostly. With this, a small Gorget was VERY popular. See one of my posts with a picture of Joseph Brandt. He has one of these about his neck.

Though, this wasn't worn into battle often, as the Native Americans often fought "Guerrilla" style and this wasn't so useful... Many Native Americans stood in wonder at the British when they fought in the dense woods in those colors!! The French regulars as well! The French had been there longer though, and many of those men were former trappers and hunters. Spoke the language and "went native" more frequently.

Color is VERY important to the Native peoples, and the displays they wore into battle were not simple random patterns. They came from the soul of the warrior and were very personal.

Thanks SOOO much for representing Native American units in such a careful, studied manner. Much appreciated.

I really hope those sources and drawings I scrounged up helped with these wonderful units!

 

[bernie14]

thanks again, ok......, by popular demand, i will make another reskin for the "swordsman" with less black war paint... with respect to the leggings, i realize that the leggings/leather jackets were more a summer/winter option, but in order to give a(admittedly charactashurish) different "look" from ancient to more modern, the units will proly be wearing more.....(unless it gets really hot)

thanks again, more to come