(6-49) Make The Yields From Unique Improvement-Enhancing Tenets Scale With Their Rarity

[Rekk]

I see no reason for them to double dip here. UGPTIs directly replace GPTIs. UIs replace other improvements. If you have a UI, you create fewer of other improvements. If you have a UGPTI ... you create the same number of GPTIs.

 

[Stalker0]

You don't have to take one of these tenets. By forcing UI yields on these tenets, you're forced to take one of them or your UI is screwed since they're balanced with these yields in mind. All spammable UIs currently suck in Industrial because of this.

so there is no issue with certain tenents being particularly good for certain civs. For example industry's +2 TRs is extremely good for portugal and ottomans.

So I don't mind that this tenent is particularly good for civs with UI...that's just how the game is played.

Now if we are intentionally nerfing UIs because of these the autocracy tenent than yeah that's a concern. (and realistically the only one I consider a possible issue is the science one, the food and prod ones....who cares at that point).

But takes Huns for example, they still aren't winning all that much, I don't think them getting a super science boost on this tenent is really an issue. probably the biggest offender might be china as they can spam their UI mightly....but order has a LOT of science bonuses and is very good for china....is autocracy's tenent SO good that I feel like I have to give up everything order gives me because I just have to have that tenent....eh I really don't think so.

So who are we really worried about here? What UI synergy is so good its breaking the bank?

 

[adan_eslavo]

I treat all UGPTIs as both unique improvements and GP tile improvements. Thus, they get all bonuses from both

Is it consistent with VP?

 

[Rekk]

Is it consistent with VP?

Yes, he created the Ordo, so he made all the decisions as to how it behaves: in this case, consistent with his other civilizations.

 

[pineappledan]

Yes, he created the Ordo, so he made all the decisions as to how it behaves: in this case, consistent with his other civilizations.

The ordo was created to be consistent with the old colonia UGPTI of the MoVenice. I was following a precedent set by base VP when I made it like that.

 

[Stalker0]

just noting I don't see any reasonable way to put this in the policy's tooltip itself, its just way too much text. Can we put it in civilopedia if it passes?

 

[N.Core]

Sponsored by me. But I need the details updated, also how the text will be if there are different yield bonuses?

 

[Recursive]

Sponsored by me. But I need the details updated

There are missing details?

 

[Rekk]

just noting I don't see any reasonable way to put this in the policy's tooltip itself, its just way too much text. Can we put it in civilopedia if it passes?

No, there's not a way to do that unless you pollute the "history" entry.

 

[N.Core]

There are missing details?

The OP still said this:

This is only a first draft, and we can debate the fine details.

And I thought it was still being discussed or not settled yet.
If it's settled, then you can mark it as sponsored.

 

[Recursive]

@N.Core Marked as sponsored.

The tenet could thus be worded like this :
- Civil Society (Freedom) : Specialists consume 2 Food less than normal (minimum 1 Food). Farms, Plantations and Camps produce +4 Food. Unique improvements produce bonus Food based on their ease of construction.
- Five Year Plan (Order) : +20% Production towards all Buildings. Mines, Quarries, Lumber Mill and Oil Well produce +3 Production. Unique improvements produce bonus Production based on their ease of construction.
- Military-Industrial Complex (Autocracy) : -33% Gold cost for purchasing / upgrading Units. Defensive Buildings, Forts and Citadels produce +3 Science. Unique improvements produce bonus Science based on their ease of construction.

Use this wording for the text.

Optionally, list all improvement yields in the Civilopedia entries.

 

[Recursive]

Timestamp post to arrange all the threads in a neat order.