[Vote] (8-01) America

[hokath]

Choose which components you want to see for America!

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(8-01) 4UC America

This is a thread for discussing the addition of 2 more unique components to the American civilization.

forums.civfanatics.com

Proposer: @pineappledan
Sponsor(s): @axatin

New Unit - Monitor (replaces Ironclad):
unlocked at Industrialization
900 Production cost
61 CS
5Moves
"Hardened" (Damage received is reduced by 3)
"Harbor Defense" (+5% City Defense to adjacent Cities)

New Building - Homestead (replaces Stable):
unlocked at Chivalry
300 Production cost
+3 Production
+2 Food, +2 Production and +2 Gold to Horse, Cattle, Sheep and Bison Resource
+33% Production toward Mounted Units
+25% Production toward Workers and Settler Units
Pioneers can be trained in this city
+10% Military Supply Cap
Claims all Horse, Sheep, Cattle and Bison Resources within 3 tiles of the City. Immediately gives 20 production, scaling with era, for each tile claimed in this way
+2 Production to Production Internal trade routes from this city

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(8-01a) Allow 4UC America To Make Friends With Neighbors (Also Minuteman Nerf)

Links: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-01-4uc-america.690042/ https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-08b-8-31a-8-01b-4uc-byzantium-persia-america-uu-reshuffle.690628/ UB - Homestead (replaces Stable): Unlocked at Chivalry Standard costs and maintenance Does not require improved...

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Proposer: @azum4roll
Sponsor(s): @axatin

New Unit - Monitor from base proposal

New Building - Homestead (replaces Stable):
Unlocked at Chivalry
Standard costs and maintenance
Does not require improved pasture resources
+3 Production
+2 Food, +2 Production, and +2 Gold to Horse, Cattle, Sheep and Bison
+33% Production toward Mounted Melee Units
+25% Production toward Workers and Settler Units
Pioneers can be trained in this city
+10% Military Supply (+1 Military Supply if supply rework passes)
Claims all Horse, Sheep, Cattle and Bison Resources within 3 tiles of the City. Immediately gives 20 production, scaling with era, for each tile claimed in this way
+2 Production to Production Internal Trade Routes from this City
Resets tile purchase costs when built (one time bonus)

Old Unit - Minuteman (replaces Musketman):
Unlocked at Metallurgy
Standard costs
22 (+1)
31 (+1)
Barrage I
Ignores Terrain Cost
Golden Age from Victories

 

[pineappledan]

Resets tile purchase costs when built (one time bonus)

The American UA already resets tile purchases in ALL cities when a new city is settled.
Both proposed Ranch UBs unlock the Pioneer early, a unit that can settle cities and therefore reset tile purchase costs globally.
8-01a is offering to replace an actually useful bonus with a worse version of something the building enables a stronger version of anyways. It's redundant and of no value.
It also proposes to nerf other parts of the building for good measure, so the UB is just even better pastures and the early pioneers.

 

[azum4roll]

You don't always have places to settle, especially when the building is first unlocked. Pioneers still can't cross ocean.

Medieval happens to be the time when all possible settle spots are trash, and this building helps exactly with that.

 

[Gizmoman]

The American UA already resets tile purchases in ALL cities when a new city is settled.
Both proposed Ranch UBs unlock the Pioneer early, a unit that can settle cities and therefore reset tile purchase costs globally.
8-01a is offering to replace an actually useful bonus with a worse version of something the building enables a stronger version of anyways. It's redundant and of no value.
It also proposes to nerf other parts of the building for good measure, so the UB is just even better pastures and the early pioneers.

Agreed, this is just putting a hat upon a hat.

 

[hokath]

MAGI: We cast the tie-breaker in favour of the base 4UC proposal

 

[Recursive]

Timestamp post to arrange all the threads in a neat order.