A Clockwork Orange
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Swedishguy
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Thanks for warning me. What's wrong with it? Is it bad or just not good?
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Perfection
The Great Head.
What's wrong with that?You are a sadist.....
Swedishguy
Deity
I saw that.
The problem is, a "no" weighs heavier than a "yes". A no means someone is not satisfied an doesn't think it's a good book. A yes is the expectation.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Yep, in the book it is non-consensual (and all participants are underage).
Harbringer
Your A One Flower Garden
It wasnt really non-consensual, they were just buzzed.
I liked the book a lot, and the movie as well, but less so. One of the best things about the book was the linguistic aspect, which is obviously hard to capture in film. Also, films usually disappoint after reading the book.
I'd rate my personal preference of Kubrick films like this:
Dr. Strangelove - classic, I'm a big fan of satire and absurdist, surrealistic humor)
Paths of Glory - unusually high, I know, but I found it quite evocative)
Full Metal Jacket - first half
A Clockwork Orange
Lolita - I liked it better than most people. I thought it captured the humor pretty well, but this is a case where having read the book may have actually increased my enjoyment)
2001
Full Metal Jacket - second half, it's like a different movie, and I've never loved war movies, plus this was a bit aimless)
The Shining
Spartacus
The Killing - I could see the manipulation of time was influential, but the movie just wasn't that interesting to me)
Barry Lyndon - too large and incoherent for me, not a fan of epics)
I've never seen Eyes Wide Shut or his early movies
I'd rate Burgess books like this:
the Enderby books - I'm a sucker for this kind of pitifully oblivious, out of place comedic character)
the Malayan trilogy - it captured an era of Colonialism with his usual appealing but often pathetic characters. Less bitter and better-crafted than Orwell's Burmese Days, imo.
A Clockwork Orange
Tremor of Intent
One Hand Clapping - good satire on TV culture vapidity
The Doctor is Sick - I like the surrealism
The End of the World News - I can see why many people would hate it, and I wouldn't blame them, but it really came together for me at the end
Honey for the Bears
M/F - it's Burgess's personal favorite, but I found it confusing and without much of his usual humor
Kingdom of the Wicked - I'm not a big fan of these historical themes in general, and this encouraged me to avoid Burgess's others of this type.
For some reason, I don't really remember the Pianoplayers, which is probably a bad thing. I haven't read his late books or most of the religious or Shakespeare books, intentionally. I've also never read the Worm and the Ring, just because it isn't available in my library.
I'd rate my personal preference of Kubrick films like this:
Dr. Strangelove - classic, I'm a big fan of satire and absurdist, surrealistic humor)
Paths of Glory - unusually high, I know, but I found it quite evocative)
Full Metal Jacket - first half
A Clockwork Orange
Lolita - I liked it better than most people. I thought it captured the humor pretty well, but this is a case where having read the book may have actually increased my enjoyment)
2001
Full Metal Jacket - second half, it's like a different movie, and I've never loved war movies, plus this was a bit aimless)
The Shining
Spartacus
The Killing - I could see the manipulation of time was influential, but the movie just wasn't that interesting to me)
Barry Lyndon - too large and incoherent for me, not a fan of epics)
I've never seen Eyes Wide Shut or his early movies
I'd rate Burgess books like this:
the Enderby books - I'm a sucker for this kind of pitifully oblivious, out of place comedic character)
the Malayan trilogy - it captured an era of Colonialism with his usual appealing but often pathetic characters. Less bitter and better-crafted than Orwell's Burmese Days, imo.
A Clockwork Orange
Tremor of Intent
One Hand Clapping - good satire on TV culture vapidity
The Doctor is Sick - I like the surrealism
The End of the World News - I can see why many people would hate it, and I wouldn't blame them, but it really came together for me at the end
Honey for the Bears
M/F - it's Burgess's personal favorite, but I found it confusing and without much of his usual humor
Kingdom of the Wicked - I'm not a big fan of these historical themes in general, and this encouraged me to avoid Burgess's others of this type.
For some reason, I don't really remember the Pianoplayers, which is probably a bad thing. I haven't read his late books or most of the religious or Shakespeare books, intentionally. I've also never read the Worm and the Ring, just because it isn't available in my library.
Sofista
Deity
@ParadigmShifter: ah, we were talking different things. My bad 
LuckyAC: now I'm going to expose myself to ridicule, but to my mind Piano Player is just late lamented Vonnegut's first novel... (and I have Burgess's novel starring Shakespeare somewhere, but I never got around to read it...).
LuckyAC: now I'm going to expose myself to ridicule, but to my mind Piano Player is just late lamented Vonnegut's first novel... (and I have Burgess's novel starring Shakespeare somewhere, but I never got around to read it...).
I think that's "Player Piano" That's actually one of my favorites of his books, but then I am not a big fan of Vonnegut's - I am annoyed by his overly stylized writing in his later books. with all the repetition and catch-phrases and direct address to the reader.
That's actually one of my favorites of his books, but then I am not a big fan of Vonnegut's - I am annoyed by his overly stylized writing in his later books. with all the repetition and catch-phrases and direct address to the reader.
Sofista
Deity
Dang, you're right, it's "Player Piano". Also on Kurt loving his own formula a bit too much, although I like it enough to be always entertained.
Rambuchan
The Funky President
Looks like the most likely explanation.
A good point well made. The relationship between these groups and the criminal justice system is of perennial interest. But it's the class struggle that makes it an important topic imho, not the propensity for pissups among the young. Last time I watched Clockwork Orange, I was moved to go and pick up my copy of Foucault's Madness & Civilisation for it's comment on the matter. I haven't yet read The Order of Things or Discipline and Punish, but I bet they are even more pertinent.
It goes far beyond the use of Nazi imagery. There has always been an influence and presence of continental fascism in Britain; be it Nazi sympathisers and collaborators when they were around in the form of the National Socialist League, Mussolini's British supporters in the form of the British Union of Fascists led by Oswald Mosley or in the form of the Imperial Fascist League, or more recent neo-Nazi groups, like the BNP, the National Socialist Action Party of the '80s, and other representatives of such ideology, especially amongst the right wing football thugs. There have also been proven cases of such far-right sympathies existing within the police force, notably from a couple of recent undercover reporter documentaries from the BBC, as well as the whole Stephen Lawrence saga, the enquiry for which declared that there was 'institutional racism' within the British police force.
Perhaps the most famous event though was the crushing of Oswald Mosley's black shirts in the interwar period, climaxing in "The Battle of Cable Street", which saw the British police standing alongside the Fascists. Opposing them were the Socialists, East End Jews, Anarchists and other popular support from residents.
Clockwork Orange's scene in which Alex's therapy is proved to ministers through the boot licking demonstration makes me think of all this and so does his unhappy reunion with his droogs who became police officers since their last encounter.
Kosez
Sitting Wool
Film is fantastic, not only because of the story (which more or less follows the book by Burgess) but primarily because of photography.
Kubrick made film photography an art of itself. Photography is immanently connected with the story, whether it creates an atmosphere of social reality (in movie) or just an impression of character's moods and experiences.
This particular movie is very famous for the use of fish-eye lenses, which create surrealistic experience for the viewer, and combination of different speeds of picture and sound (Willem Tell Overture). To be noted is also superb scene design and costumes design.
Ergo:One of the best visual experiences ever made.
Kubrick made film photography an art of itself. Photography is immanently connected with the story, whether it creates an atmosphere of social reality (in movie) or just an impression of character's moods and experiences.
This particular movie is very famous for the use of fish-eye lenses, which create surrealistic experience for the viewer, and combination of different speeds of picture and sound (Willem Tell Overture). To be noted is also superb scene design and costumes design.
Ergo:One of the best visual experiences ever made.
Swedishguy
Deity
I realized this could be used in any book thread. Is it OK if I... borrow it?
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