a hyperthetical situation

That's normally only efficient in transporting culture from elsewhere - the city in question is better off building culture or cultural buildings (Temples of the Overlords, for preference :))
 
ydejin said:
Try producing Disciple/Thane/Zealot units. The +20:culture: they contribute when making a "Great Work" can make a big difference over time. If all your cities start pumping them out you will start seeing a difference in your city radii. Depending on how overwhelming your opponents culture is, you may need to to sacrifice 4-5 disciple units before you start seeing a difference.

yeah, after i used like 10 prophets on the city i gained my land back and more, i then used prophets on all my broder cities until i could expand no further. quite a useful trick ^^
 
ydejin said:
Try producing Disciple/Thane/Zealot units. The +20:culture: they contribute when making a "Great Work" can make a big difference over time. If all your cities start pumping them out you will start seeing a difference in your city radii. Depending on how overwhelming your opponents culture is, you may need to to sacrifice 4-5 disciple units before you start seeing a difference.


Heh, just make sure your army can accept the consequences......neighboring civs usually dont take to kindly to culture bombs in my experiences.....especially not human players ;)
 
Lord Vermillion said:
Heh, just make sure your army can accept the consequences......neighboring civs usually dont take to kindly to culture bombs in my experiences.....especially not human players ;)

>_> to scared to play human players >_>
 
QES said:
As a fuddy-duddy myself, I like when words are kept to their (hopefully) origional meanings, and when a word is used because it is the most percise and acurate. A healthy vocabulary, for instance, does not need to be extensive if its precise and accurate. For example, the use of the words "precise" and "accurate" are almost always considered synonyms. They're not. Precise implies consistancy in repetition, accuracy denotes ralative success to an intended goal/target. One could be VERY precise, if one's shot is ALWAYS off by 5 feet to the left. Its not accurate but it hits the same "wrong" spot every time. Conversely, repeated shots that miss by a foot in any direction would indicate a higher accuracy, but lower precision.

The use of these two words occurs often as if they were the same thing. My wish for english is that we would recognize conotative, denotative and innotative differences in words and language, spoken or otherwise.

-Fuddy Duddy


If it makes you feel any better, the meaning of percise and accurate are still preserved in Chemistry and Physics Lab. We got pounded over the head by the lab proctor that these two things are different and if we should ever switch the two in a writeup there would be hell to pay.
 
QES said:
Nope. Keep guessing. Though, my mother was an english teacher.
And why do i get the distinct impression you view that (though it is not true) as a bad thing hmm? Be good to your teachers. :p
-Qes

Oh no. Actually i do like my teachers :)
 
chocmushroom said:
I hate it when people missuse the word Massive, which should have only connintation to do with.... well Mass, and so weight, but not to do with numbers or size dimensions.

Actually, mass and weight aren't synonymous, either. Weight refers to the pull of gravity on an object, which is influenced by its distance from the nearest centers of gravity, how massive (correct usage, here) the body being pulled on is, and how massive those centers of gravity are. Mass is the amount of matter in any object. This is why a scale to measure weight simply measures how strongly an object is being pulled downwards, while a scale to measure mass must include a balance to be accurate. While you're as massive on Earth as you are anywhere else in the universe, your weight changes quite a bit if you're here, on the moon, or a couple of inches above the event horizon of a black hole.

Hooray, I got my over-analytical post of the day in! (though I hope the people that study this for a living will forgive my simplification of it...)

P.S. Regarding changes in languages over the years, how do you all feel about changes in spelling of the same words (centre vs. center, for example)?

P.P.S. If you really want this thread to go off topic, just ask me how much I've simplified the above post. ;)
 
Chandrasekhar said:
Actually, mass and weight aren't synonymous, either. Weight refers to the pull of gravity on an object, which is influenced by its distance from the nearest centers of gravity, how massive (correct usage, here) the body being pulled on is, and how massive those centers of gravity are. Mass is the amount of matter in any object. This is why a scale to measure weight simply measures how strongly an object is being pulled downwards, while a scale to measure mass must include a balance to be accurate. While you're as massive on Earth as you are anywhere else in the universe, your weight changes quite a bit if you're here, on the moon, or a couple of inches above the event horizon of a black hole.

Hooray, I got my over-analytical post of the day in! (though I hope the people that study this for a living will forgive my simplification of it...)

P.S. Regarding changes in languages over the years, how do you all feel about changes in spelling of the same words (centre vs. center, for example)?

P.P.S. If you really want this thread to go off topic, just ask me how much I've simplified the above post. ;)

Start talking detail man. We sorta touched on this in physics last year (Special Relativity & Classical Mechanics) but I'm intrigued.
 
Changes a bit? It changes a bit when you move a distance of a few kilometers from the center of the earth, which would be around 100 kilometers directly north or south. A reduction of 6:1 in mass of an object pulling you towards it is not slight (surprisingly enough, it's 6:1) :).
 
Trivia: Did you know that if you went to the equator, you gain weight? The earth isn't perfectly spherical and in fact has a "beer belly". That's not to mention that earth is also obviously not flat (otherwise the earth would look completely blue).
 
Maian said:
Trivia: Did you know that if you went to the equator, you gain weight? The earth isn't perfectly spherical and in fact has a "beer belly". That's not to mention that earth is also obviously not flat (otherwise the earth would look completely blue).


From my limited understanding, wouldn't it be the opposite? You're now further away from the center of the earth, and therefore have a lesser attractive force pulling you downward (towards center) than if you were elsewhere?
 
A thing to note, not everything everyone says is literal. That is to say, claiming a battle was "of massive proportions" is a figure of speech.

I believe what is communicated is more worthy than the base definitions of the words used. But beyond that, the word 'massive' is not solely the subordinate of physics. Mineralogy has a differing definition of 'massive' for instance (one that holds similar spirit to the physics one, but more closely resembles the geology one). There are many scopes with which to define a word, and no one is better than another.
 
Sareln said:
From my limited understanding, wouldn't it be the opposite? You're now further away from the center of the earth, and therefore have a lesser attractive force pulling you downward (towards center) than if you were elsewhere?
but also take into account since you're farther away thats theres more mass between you and the center.. there's many other factors as well, like the spin of the earth (why dont we fly off like on a merrigo round?!?!?!) lol
 
Sureshot said:
but also take into account since you're farther away thats theres more mass between you and the center.. there's many other factors as well, like the spin of the earth (why dont we fly off like on a merrigo round?!?!?!) lol

In the highly idealized world of College Freshman Physics I believe the answer would be... Centripetal acceleration! (We didn't call it centripetal force, our instructor would beat us over the head if we said centripetal force...)
 
Sareln said:
Start talking detail man. We sorta touched on this in physics last year (Special Relativity & Classical Mechanics) but I'm intrigued.

Alright, alright. I'm not exactly an expert (yet...), but I have an uncle that does some nuclear work down in some Californian university, and I plan on entering a career that deals with this sort of thing anyway.

My previous post was inaccurate in a few respects. Firstly, some might say that talking about gravity "pulling down" on objects isn't accurate. In fact, it is the compression of space-time caused by nearby massive bodies that causes less massive bodies to be drawn toward it (or around it, in some cases). A common analogy (not entirely accurate, but I haven't studied enough to tell you accurately what's wrong with it) is to imagine space-time as a rubber sheet. Drop a massive weight onto this rubber sheet, and it bends in such a way as to draw marbles on that rubber sheet to it. If this rubber sheet and this marble had virtually no drag on each other, a marble could be rolled in such a way as to enter a stable orbit of the larger body. This would be a satellite. It's a minor point, and not the one I was thinking of when I mentioned my own inaccuracy.

Second, an object's mass isn't just influenced by the amount of matter in it. Actually, a very interesting phenomenon happens as an object increases speed. The faster an object goes, the more mass it has. I believe this is because "Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared" (or E=mc^2). In any case, a speedier object has more energy than one at rest. This energy is equivalent to a very small (in most situations) amount of mass. The effect is generally very small except at speeds very close to the speed of light, but it has been observed. As I've mentioned before, the more massive an object is, the more it bends space-time. Now an, experiment was conducted in which two jet airplanes were flown in opposite directions around the Earth. Both on them had extremely accurate atomic clocks on board. One jet's speed was increased by the rotation of the Earth, while the other's was decreased by it. After flying for a set amount of time, the two atomic clocks (which had been synchronized to almost perfect accuracy before the flight) were compared. The times shown were measurable different.

I'm pretty sure there was a third point that I didn't explain accurately, but I can't remember it for the life of me. Maybe it's just my imagination. Anyway, you probably didn't need to know all this, but now you do.

P.S. I know, Deathling. I just said "bit" as a figure of speech, I didn't mean to indicate that the weight change was small in any way. I believe the formula follows the inverse square law, actually, meaning that the gravitational "attraction" increases exponentially.

P.P.S. You're right, Sarelin, you do lose weight as you climb on the Earth's beer belly.

P.P.P.S. Looking back on it, I realize that I used the term, "speed" in my second point. That's also inaccurate by the theories of relativity, but I'm not going into that one even if you ask.
 
Chandrasekhar said:
A common analogy (not entirely accurate, but I haven't studied enough to tell you accurately what's wrong with it) is to imagine space-time as a rubber sheet. Drop a massive weight onto this rubber sheet, and it bends in such a way as to draw marbles on that rubber sheet to it.
What's wrong with that analogy is that it's circular. It's a common way of explaining gravity, but it uses gravity in its analogy (the bigger marble is pulled down by gravity into the rubber sheet, and the smaller one rolls down due to gravity). You can see why this is not a wise choice (which I always found funny because it's a common textbook example).
 
At least for delving into special relativity, it was explained to us as having 3 basic findings:

Length Contraction
Time Dialation
and one other that I can't remember, and my text is buried in a box somewhere in my room.

The experiment you describe I think is the one they used to show Time Dialation, but they can't show the others through experiment I think...

Yay for special relativity.
 
Sareln said:
In the highly idealized world of College Freshman Physics I believe the answer would be... Centripetal acceleration! (We didn't call it centripetal force, our instructor would beat us over the head if we said centripetal force...)
ya, my point is, given those factors, i can see it going either way, though i can't say from experience that i've noticed a difference in gravity the nearer i was to the equator
 
Sureshot said:
What's wrong with that analogy is that it's circular. It's a common way of explaining gravity, but it uses gravity in its analogy (the bigger marble is pulled down by gravity into the rubber sheet, and the smaller one rolls down due to gravity). You can see why this is not a wise choice (which I always found funny because it's a common textbook example).

Heh, well that's certainly true (and quite ironic). I was also under the impression, however, that there were some situations in which the analogy would lead one to believe that one thing would happen where in fact something entirely different would. It sounds rather silly, I know, because comparing a two dimensional surface to a four dimensional one is itself inaccurate, but in any case I thought it best to mention that it shouldn't be taken literally.
 
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