A New Religion Idea!!!!!!!

[Red Door]

I just got a great idea for modding the religion. In the real world there are usually two sides of each religion.

This is the list of religions discussed so far with two sects.

Here are the Religions that are in:
Judaism(Reform and Orthodox)
Christianity(Catholic and Protestant)
Islam(Suuni and Shiite)
Buddhism(Mahayana and Vajrayana)
Hinduism(Bhakti and Tantra)
Zoroastrianism(Modern-Day and Ancient)
Ancinet Polytheism(Triadic/Olympus and Amenity)
Ancient Cults(Nordic and Sami)
Native American(Tenocian and Navajo)

Definetly Not In:
Confucianism, Taoism, and Shintoism.
Comments/Suggestions?

Great Wonder Ideas
Vatican City (Catholic)
The Kabba Stone (Islam)
The Sacred River (Hindu)
Dome of the Rock (Islam)
Notre Dame (Catholic)
Cologne Cathedral (Protestant)
The Parthenon(not new, but now religious)
Mt. Olympus (Greek/Romam Polytheism)
The Sphinx (Egyptian Polytheism)
Temple of Ra (Egyptian Polytheism)
Mount Sinai (Judaism)
newgrange (No Idea!)
big jesus statue in brasil (Catholic)
"kamakura no daibutsu" or "nara no daibutsu" (Big statues formerly in Afghanistan)
Lumbini (buddhist holy site)
Bodh Gayav (buddhist)
Sarnath (buddhist)
Kusinara (buddhist)
Mount Taylor (navajo holy site)
Blanca Peak (navajo)
San Francisco Peaks (navajo)
Hesperus Peak (navajo)

Thanks to Quizny for a lot of these!

UUs for Each Religion
Judaism
Ancient:Maccabe
Classical:Jewish Resistor(Roman times, you remember?)
Midevil:Camel Archer
Renaissance:German Trench Infantry
Industrial:Ghetto Rebel(Controversial, yes I know but I think it works)
Modern:Merkava(Israeli Tank)

Christianity
Ancient:Barbarian(Throws rocks, like a warrior)
Classical:Gladiator
Midevil:Crusader
Rennaisance:Inquisitor
Industrial:Colonial Infantry
Modern:Swiss Army Mech Infantry

Islam
Ancient:Berber Trader(Replaces Scout)
Classical:Arabic Swordsman (Different from below)
Midevil:Fanatic(Crescent-Shaped Sword)
Rennaisance:Janisarry
Industrial:AK Infantry
Modern:Al-Zarar Main Battle Tank

Buddhism
Ancient:Sherpas
Classical:Warrior Monks
Midevil:Buddhist Pikemen
Rennasance:French Colonial Infantry
Industrial:NVA Infantry
Modern:Free Tibet Protestor

Hinduism
Ancient:Harrapan Slinger
Classical:Indian Swordsman
Midevil:Elephant Archer
Renassance:British Colonial Infantry
Industrial:Indian Infantry
Modern:Arjun Tanks

Native American
Ancient:Native American Archer
Classical:Eagle Warrior
Midevil:Horse Archer(Native American Flavor)
Renassance:"Guardian"(Meso-American Pikeman)
Industrial:Native American Rifleman
Modern:"War Device" (Aztec words, really just a tank with a Mexican flag and a machinegunner wearing a sombrero

Zoroastrianism
Ancientersian Heavy Calvary
Classical:Immortal
Midevil:Camel Archer
Rennasance:British Colonial Infantry
Industrialersian Infantry
Modern:Iranian Infantry

Olympus
Ancient:Hoplite
Classicalhalanx
Midevililgrim Ship(To Jerusalem, added movement, transport)
Rennasance:Italian Explorer
Industrial:Italian Infantry
Modern:Ariete

Ancient Cults
Ancient:Barbarian Warrior
Classical:North. European Spearmen
Midevil:Viking Raider
Rennasance:Norwegian Longboat?
Industrial:Molitov Cocktail Soldiers
Modern:M109 Howitzer

 

[geebo]

i agree and have those rivals of the same religion but different sects, hate eachother either more then other civs with just other religions,and what about Zoroastrianism as a added religion also?, I agree also that Confucianism should be removed do to it mainly being a philosophy not a religion.

 

[Red Door]

I like Zoroastrianism as a religion choice too. Does anybody know if its possible to add another religion. As of rival inner-religions, I think it would make a civ, for example, with Suuni Islam hate one with Shiite Islam. Would be even more negative that regular difference.

 

[geebo]

yes and this would make good scenarios such as the Great Schism, Protestant Reformation, and even some modern ones like between Iraq and Iran being that they hate eachother do to sects... good idea hopefully someone will make these options possible. me personally have no clue...

 

[Red Door]

Yeah me also. Just a thought for people to mod. Maybe I'll learn to do it. Sigh.

 

[MRM]

I like Zoroastrianism as a religion choice too. Does anybody know if its possible to add another religion. As of rival inner-religions, I think it would make a civ, for example, with Suuni Islam hate one with Shiite Islam. Would be even more negative that regular difference.

Yes it is possible to add another religion, but it looks terrible on the religous information screen ( I know, I tried to add norse without removing an existing)

So , somehow the screen must be resized ... but in generell I thinks it is not a problem. What worries me more about the idea is game balance. If you split every religion in 2 fractions, then every civ ends up with its own religion, and the idea of alliance building via religion won't work any more ...

So IMO those fractions should have an different effect than just work as another religion ( but unfortunally no idea what would work here ) , OR such an split should only happen, if one religion is state religion of 5 or more civs. In this case such an split would prevent that one religous block would become too powerfull.

Ancient Polytheism
Greek/ Roman Polytheism
Egyptian Polytheism

Year would like to see some ancient religions in. Maybe even an only ancient religon mod ... but that would be a different one ...

 

[Rabbit_Alex]

I just got a great idea for modding the religion. In the real world there are usually two sides of each religion.

Christianity
Protestant
Catholicism

Islam
Suuni
Shiite

Judaism
Pious?
Non-Pious?
Yeah we're going to have to find some for the rest.

Also, I think Confucianism should be replaced with something else:
Ancient Polytheism
Greek/ Roman Polytheism
Egyptian Polytheism

Comments/Suggestions?

For Judaism, you could have Orthodox, Progressive Judaism which is a sub-branch made of both Reform and Reconstructionist sects, Masorti (Traditional) Judaism, and Humanistic which is a relatively new branch which was founded in the U.S.

 

[homegrown]

Not every suggestion has to be viewed in how it would fit into the core game. I see some definate scenario possibilities with this. I think it sounds like a great idea. For Judaism.. maybe Orthodox v. Reformed ?

 

[Nuh Uh]

You are forgetting the Anti-Christian faction, or Satanic Cult, that instead of spreading smiley faces , spreads illness . It could work like a disease , with vampirical barbarians feeding off of your population , and if left go, the 'disease' ultimately undermines your government with a series of coup d'etats and takes over your Civ . Kind of like real life, huh?

 

[Red Door]

Umm yeah this works too. Well about gameplay issue, I think if you have 18 civs at once 2 religions wont be used. Besides also one civ can foind multi-religions. I think it will be fine. Will probably need to be played on bigger maps however.

 

[Plotinus]

There are far more than two versions of Christianity - there's Catholic, Protestant, Chalcedonian Orthodox, non-Chalcedonian Orthodox, Church of the East...

 

[Nuh Uh]

Umm yeah this works too.

You like that. Okay, then what about the classical Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Celtic, and Norse religions Or are they, and by Catholic definition, pagan?

 

[Nuh Uh]

Shinto, man. Shinto...

 

[Red Door]

There are far more than two versions of Christianity - there's Catholic, Protestant, Chalcedonian Orthodox, non-Chalcedonian Orthodox, Church of the East...

I know there are. But orthodox and eastern church are very close to being "in communion" with the catholic church. Farther west is where we would hit problems. Protestants are alone. But then we forget Pyscebalians (Not Spelled Right), Methodists, Re-Baptists, Anglican, etc. I just picked the two biggest in Christianity.

 

[Red Door]

You like that. Okay, then what about the classical Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Celtic, and Norse religions Or are they, and by Catholic definition, pagan?

I was being sarcastic. Its a little weird. I would like those religions put into the game. I, personally, am Catholic but not very religious.

Shinto is a good religion too.

 

[Martinus]

I think Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Eleusis Mysteries and Cult of Kybele are good examples of ancient religions that spread in a similar way as Christianity or Islam, rather than being confined to one culture or state (and as such all make good candidates for religious mods). I am somewhat weary about the stuff like "Greek Polytheism" simply because it would be very weird to have it developed by anyone who is not Greek.

 

[Plankhead]

Homegrown: It's Reform Judaism, not Reformed. Reform Jews are very sensitive about that.

 

[Nuh Uh]

Shinto is a good religion too.

Are you sure? Animism: do you know what that is? Saracasm and humor aside, the point I'm making, in a round-a-bout way, is that few people understand religion past the notion of a particular 'belief system' within the field of cosmology and epistemology. Although, the difference between "belief-system" (as a metaconcept unto itself) and "religion" is that religion is formulated through perceptionally based phenomena as compared to conceptually based notions. For example, "God said, so and so..." said the prophet. "I believe that guy is crazy." said the atheist. Or, "The sky opened up, the earth shook, and the trees whispered." said the righteous one. "Was that a ufo, I saw? I think a truck drove by, and there's wind in the leaves." said the sci-fi buff.

I LIKE this added feature and find its sociological ramifications interesting, as well as the idea of including denominations of religious schooling. Although, what I would like to see, is the core of religion operate more so in its capacity as a continuum, perfected through the integration of religious doctrine; hence, as a formal venue of play, culminating with a religious victory (sounded by trumpets and angels, baby).

 

[Red Door]

Yeah you guys are porbably right. Greek Polytheism, etc. should be changed to a different name. Hard to get name though. Zeus religion?

 

[Nuh Uh]

OLYMPIAN

Also, polytheism is moreoften a misnomer. Egypt and Greece and Rome weren't polytheist in any absolute sense. Rather they had polytheistic quality, and were monotheist in the sense of possessing one high God: Amen, Zeus, and Chronos, and relatively speaking. Even Hinduism is not polytheist in this same context: Brahman occupies the summit as well as a singular position of godly presence.