Abortion!!!!!!!!!

[Fifty]

Hello!

I'm totally undecided on the whole issue of abortion. Time to change that.

I'd like you people to enlighten me as to which is the proper position to take.

I have a slight tendency towards being pro-abortion, but I cant identify a good reason for that.

A few points:

1. I find the "potentiality" argument against abortion to be crappy. Why should we treat something X that has the potential to be Y like Y just because the potential for its becoming Y exists?

2. I find the "lump of cells" argument for abortion to be crappy. What the crap does something being a lump of cells have to do with anything? Its vague and not a good argument. While there obviously COULD be something to an argument for abortion based on stages of development, you're going to have to say more then "a lump of cells aint no person" if you want me to take such an argument seriously.

3. I'm absolutely uninterested in anti-abortion arguments that rest of the existence of a soul, god, or religion. So if that's all you can do, dont even try.

4. I find the "self-awareness" argument for abortion to be pretty sucky too. Are we even sure that newborns are self-aware? What about a sleeping or unconscious person? There could be something here, but simply throwing out the statement that a fetus isn't self-aware is not a good argument.



Anyways, convince me of your views! It's your big chance to change someone's opinion on the interenets!!!

You can debate eachother but remember that the goal of this thread is to convince me, so it should remain rather fifty-centric.

 

[garric]

Is abortion murder? Probably.
Should you support it? Yes, it gives a woman a right to do what she wishes with her body, a right that every human being should have.

 

[Fifty]

Is abortion murder? Probably.
Should you support it? Yes, it gives a woman a right to do what she wishes with her body, a right that every human being should have.

That doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. What if what I want to do with my body is wrap a crap load of dynamite around it and blow it up in the middle of time square on newyears? My right to do what I want with my body stops when what I want to do with my body is murder people.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

I have met to many women who believe strongly in abortion, and who believe that since it is their body, it's a lot easier for men to choose, and say no. Because of this, I am pro-abortion. I support a women's right to choose, and I don't feel to strongly about telling women what they can't do with their body since I will never have to be pregnant.

Not much of an argument, perhaps, but my two cents.

 

[Trajan12]

Maybe this helps, Im not pro life or pro choice, Im pro common sense. If your going to have sex, use contraception and save a lot of trouble. They have these nifty little pills that can stop that.

 

[Riesstiu IV]

I just dislike babies and little children. So it's a win win situation for me.

 

[Fifty]

I have met to many women who believe strongly in abortion, and who believe that since it is their body, it's a lot easier for men to choose, and say no. Because of this, I am pro-abortion. I support a women's right to choose, and I don't feel to strongly about telling women what they can't do with their body since I will never have to be pregnant.

Not much of an argument, perhaps, but my two cents.

Again, I don't see how the right to bodily autonomy supercedes the right to not be murdered.

 

[GinandTonic]

Should you support it? Yes, it gives a woman a right to do what she wishes with her body, a right that every human being should have.

Agree with Garric for once. A woman's body is her own. Once the embryo is potentially capable of survival outside of the mother the deal changes, unless the life of the mother is indangered in which case the choice reverts to her under advisment of the professionals.

 

[Fifty]

Agree with Garric for once. A woman's body is her own. Once the embryo is potentially capable of survival outside of the mother the deal changes, unless the life of the mother is indangered in which case the choice reverts to her under advisment of the professionals.

I'm not too sure about the "survive on its own" argument. I dont know any babies that can survive on there own. Well, there's these ones, but they're in the minority!

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Again, I don't see how the right to bodily autonomy supercedes the right to not be murdered.

That's what I went through when I was on the fence a few months ago. Because there is so much controversy over when a sentient being forms, etc., etc., I decided that a woman should have the right, again, because most of the ones I meet are so strongly for it.

 

[rsuttles58]

Personally I am pro-abortion in situations of it being a life threat to the woman, rape, and other similar situations. To use abortion as a means to clean up one-night stands and promsiscuosness by women is a sickening thought. My whole problem with the abortion decision is this. A lot of women want the right to do with their body as they please but are not responsible enough to not become pregnant in the first palce. It is a moot point to say the least.

I just can not stand how society is dead set on finding ways out of having to be responsible or admit wrong for ANYTHING they do in their lives. This is not just calling out women but men alike. People are so hung up on being righteous and PC all the time and do not actually do the RIGHT thing. They would rather just be viewed as moral creatures that are correct then ever admit guilt for anything.

 

[GinandTonic]

What about the cant stop it, terribly dangerous procedure on the backstreets argument?

 

[Red Stranger]

I wrote a very convincing argument against abortion a while back. Enjoy
Even if a fetus is not a person, abortion is still wrong

 

[nc-1701]

Well I believe that a fetus is not a person, so I believe there is no reason to outlaw it. If you don't want to be my guest I will support the right to choose.

 

[Trajan12]

Personally I am pro-abortion in situations of it being a life threat to the woman, rape, and other similar situations. To use abortion as a means to clean up one-night stands and promsiscuosness by women is a sickening thought. My whole problem with the abortion decision is this. A lot of women want the right to do with their body as they please but are not responsible enough to not become pregnant in the first palce. It is a moot point to say the least.

I just can not stand how society is dead set on finding ways out of having to be responsible or admit wrong for ANYTHING they do in their lives. This is not just calling out women but men alike. People are so hung up on being righteous and PC all the time and do not actually do the RIGHT thing. They would rather just be viewed as moral creatures that are correct then ever admit guilt for anything.

Very good point. I look forward to seeing you around more.

 

[GinandTonic]

I wrote a very convincing argument against abortion a while back. Enjoy
Even if a fetus is not a person, abortion is still wrong

I refer the honorable member to post 26 where I - amongst many - pwned his facile arguement.

 

[warpus]

First of all, very good way to bring up this subject Fifty, from a neutral point of view. This should be a lesson to all (including myself)

I support abortion, but only in the very early stages of pregnancy. If the fetus starts resembling a human being, let it live

 

[Urederra]

abortion is like pollution. I won't pollute if I don't need to, but sometimes there is not other good option.

 

[garric]

abortion is like pollution. I won't pollute if I don't need to, but sometimes there is not other good option.

Exactly. Abortion should be avoided at all costs. Not only is it immoral (really, if you don't accept this, you are a liberal) it also decreases the fertility rate per female civilian, and the country's overall human production. The United States should be wise to continue producing human beings who will likely be productive in the future.

However, it should always be an option. Always.

Even if you ban it, there will always be methods (that are dangerous) to halt the creation of a human being in the womb.

 

[capslock]

An embryo/fetus is a living being. If it happens to be growing in a female human's womb, then it also happens to be human.

It is a human being.

Normaly, we don't have the right to terminate another human life unless it is threatening our own life.

We aren't expected, however, to go out of our way to care for random, uninvited strangers. I don't mean unwanted or unplanned pregnancies resulting from consensual sex, but those resulting from rape. A rape victim has no responsibility to care for a child conceived during the rape.