Hey guys, I'm Chinese here also.. I don't know much about history of China but my friends all seem to either really hate Mao or worship him. But like mag827 said, I guess they put him in there because he's more well known to the 'westerners' than other previous leaders.. I personally don't have any problems with any leaders in the games 'cause it's just a game to me.
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Han dynasty is the beginning of "China feudalism"(not feudalism described by westerners) make the culture freedom inavailable ,Han wudi got what he want to , but what he do is a reference to the after-leaders (include mao)
Make a bonus on Qin Shi Huang 's
Make a bonus on Qin Shi Huang 's
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I love to see Mao as the chinese leader, I would loved to see Stalin for the russians and Hitler for the germans too! It's fun to play vs. the bad guys, and makes alot to the feeling of the game! And to all you political corrected out there, you make me puke!
If someone says you must die when I am hungry ，I will hate him for life.秦始皇 said:
but if not hungry, then well just go to die. just a kidding.
yes,Mao was not a perfect man, but his contribution outweighted his faults.
When people call Mao a monster who has killed ~50 million people, they are refering to those who starved to death during the "Great Leap Forward". Most people throw out this number and compare it to the 6 million jews killed by Hitler and call Mao worse than Hitler. What they don't realize is that while this is partly due to Mao's policies, more importantly, China suffered one of the worst natural disasters of the twentieth century between 1959-1962. Flooding alone killed millions, and severe drought affected 55% of agricultural land (source: wikipedia). Imagine your annual food supply cut in half for 3 consecutive years in a country of 700 million people. Bad things will happen. If you want to learn more, i suggest looking up Mao and the Great Leap Forward on Wikipedia, a free online encyclopedia. A good feature of wikipedia is that the writers try to be unbiased and present both sides of the argument. Most western speakers are naturally biased against Mao and its easy for them to lump Mao in with the Hitlers and the Stalins.
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If you look back at mao's background. He is a pure imperial age scholar. The kind of older generation educated people thats good at writing articles and poems, but knows squat about science. when they become politiciens, those are the people that knows how to claim up the rank fast, by stabbing people in the back, blackmail, all sorts of dirty tricks, and mao is the master of them all, he did all these and still made him look like a saint. But when it comes to actually managing a country's economics and stuff, they are very limited.
In his heart, mao is a pure imperialist. The irony is he joined the communist party that is the enemy of imperialism, and the communist slogan is eqality for the people. So mao can't proclaim himself as emperor. But the guy is cleaver, instead of proclaim himself emperor, he found another way to satisfy his thirst for power, He made himself a god to chinese people. Anyone that can threaten his reign, he chopped their heads off. another irony is his sons all died before him, so he can't pass on his power to his offspring.
In his heart, mao is a pure imperialist. The irony is he joined the communist party that is the enemy of imperialism, and the communist slogan is eqality for the people. So mao can't proclaim himself as emperor. But the guy is cleaver, instead of proclaim himself emperor, he found another way to satisfy his thirst for power, He made himself a god to chinese people. Anyone that can threaten his reign, he chopped their heads off. another irony is his sons all died before him, so he can't pass on his power to his offspring.
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有趣， 有趣， 真有趣
Translate: Interesting, interesting, very interesting
I think the main reason that Mao's inside is that he's the closest modern leader that the middle kingdom has. Actually, if the word China is used, I would associate Mao with it rather than Qin Shi Huan. Emperor Qin ruled what I prefer to refer to as the 'Middle Kindgom' of the Qin Dynasty.
My 2 cents
Translate: Interesting, interesting, very interesting
I think the main reason that Mao's inside is that he's the closest modern leader that the middle kingdom has. Actually, if the word China is used, I would associate Mao with it rather than Qin Shi Huan. Emperor Qin ruled what I prefer to refer to as the 'Middle Kindgom' of the Qin Dynasty.
My 2 cents
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Well, for the great leap forward, got say that Mao has good intentions, he wanted china to grow strong. But like I said the guy know squat about science and economy. so although his intentions are good, but his actions had the complete opposite effect. He wanted make quality steel out of daily cookware that peasan's use, well, he ended up with loads of scrap steel and people are short on cooking ware. And he qualified mouse, fly, mosquitos and that little brown bird (don't know the birds name in english) as the enemy of people that has to be eliminated. Well, mouse, fly and mosquitos is pretty straight forward, but he had to add the little brown bird. his reasoning was the bird always come steal rice from peasant at harvest time. What he failed to acknowledge is the bird is also the natural enemy of grasshopper. As he made himself like a god to the peasans, when he urged the people go out and kill those 4 animals, the peasans did a damn good job, they practically eliminated all the bird, and the grasshoppers dont have their natural enemy anymore and they multiplied like mad and china had to deal with a major infestation of grasshoppers coupled with some other natural disaster, the end result is millions died of starving.
温柔的杀你 said:
Greatest leader = most important. Yes
Greatest leader = BEST, NO!!
Mao was very good at getting people to follow him, and fairly good leading a war (though he was actually a very poor military tactician). However, he was very poor at peace and destroyed more Chinese culture than any non-chinese could ever hope to.
And all in the name of a foreign communist idealogy.
Mao was a great leader in the same sense that Stalin and Hitler were.
I do not think he should have been in the game.
Mao has written a poem called"沁园春雪（don't know how to translate) Show his great ambitions to be a perfect leader.But it is only a dream of a great person.He did what he want to do and succeed in some way ,but failed at last due to its impossibility.weimingshi said:
秦始皇 said:
I believe there is a Chinese version of this old Western saying:
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
It means that many bad things have been caused by people that perhaps intend to do good things, but because they do not really understand the world or the problem, they make it worse.
Mao succeeded in unifying the country, but then did not really understand HOW to run it.
Mao Zedong had the honour of leading China in all four civ games because:
1. He's the most well known modern chinese leader
2. He succeeded in unifying China, industrialise China and educate China (although at a cost)
3. His government is still ruling mainland China today.
1. He's the most well known modern chinese leader
2. He succeeded in unifying China, industrialise China and educate China (although at a cost)
3. His government is still ruling mainland China today.
Mao is one of the most famous Chinese leaders and he did bring alot of change and revolution to China. Wich is why he is known as a leader, but there are more Civ leaders that have committed terrible crimes. Think Ganghis Kahn was a do gooder? He killed whole tribes, including women and childeren, or Napoleon, some agitated prat that set out to conquer europe and you think he did it be asking kindly and punishing people by juz a good scolding? Hell no, torture and death.
So lets not argue on what a saint a leader is and that he/she should be removed because that person was someone that did bad stuff in his life, because about all the leaders in the history of mankind have had something to answer for.
So lets not argue on what a saint a leader is and that he/she should be removed because that person was someone that did bad stuff in his life, because about all the leaders in the history of mankind have had something to answer for.
why is mao directly responsible for starvation?????
china was in civil war, and in war against japan some year sometime like 1918(correct me plz)
after japan surrounder, the civil war continued to 1949
and especially the japanese, their war time attrocity is infamously great.
the Nationalist party lost the civil war, they bring ALL gold from the chinese imperor depot, and escape to taiwan, they took everything they can, blow up all the bridges so the communist wont catch them as they escape to taiwan.
how do u expect him to run a torned out country? people have nothing to live their life with.
there was a joke:
Mao to Khrushchev: We need food aid!!
Khrushchev: sorry we got no food too, you just have to tighten up your pants so you dont feel that hungry.
Mao:then please send us some pants!!
china was in civil war, and in war against japan some year sometime like 1918(correct me plz)
after japan surrounder, the civil war continued to 1949
and especially the japanese, their war time attrocity is infamously great.
the Nationalist party lost the civil war, they bring ALL gold from the chinese imperor depot, and escape to taiwan, they took everything they can, blow up all the bridges so the communist wont catch them as they escape to taiwan.
how do u expect him to run a torned out country? people have nothing to live their life with.
there was a joke:
Mao to Khrushchev: We need food aid!!
Khrushchev: sorry we got no food too, you just have to tighten up your pants so you dont feel that hungry.
Mao:then please send us some pants!!
see he is not doing too badWikipedia said:
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panzooka said:
Please, read some recent history before you post. The great leap forward happened in 58-60. japan defeated in 45, civil war ended in 49. those 2 got nothing to do with it.
After the civil war it was liu shaoqi who was the deputy chairman of communist party. He was the guy took charge of china's economic reforms, and he knows what he is doing, under his brief command, china's living condition improved immensely. he is very skeptical of mao's great leap forward movement. unfortunately mao managed to come back in power in 1960, mao then started the cultural revolution to get ride of him enmies. Liu was named as traitor, thief, enemy to the people of china and died in emprisonment. whatever improvements china had, be it literacy rate or living condition, is little of mao's doing. It was liu. what mao did was to completely ruin liu's effort and china actually took a great leap backward. Alot of those things I did not read from articles, it was my mother who told me. when liu was in charge, my mother studied in primary and secondary school, she was the best student. when mao came back in power, he urged all students to go work in the field. At that time my mother was 12, she had to work 12 hours a day remove rocks and stuff like that in the field under terrible conditions. As a result my mother never finished high school.
If mao had only 1/10 of washington's unselfishness and reconize his imcompetence at running economic affairs, he would be one of the greatest leader of all time no doubt. unfortunately he wasn't, as soon as somebody more competent than him appears that threaten his political power, he had to cut him off and drag the whole nation down with him.
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