After the Launch

Details of the Buffy mod can be found here.

It does NOT affect the game play like the Planet Fall mod. It just presents additional information to you in many of the Function screend (i.e. F1, F2, F3, F4, etc.). Once you get used to playing with it, it's hard to stop using it.

If no one in this game uses it, then there really is no need to start using it unless you want to...
 
No thanks, I tried installing it or BUG/BULL once but I messed up, and because I play Legends of Revolution most of the time anyway where it is already included, I wouldn´t miss it at all if not for the few MP games I play with Vanilla BtS now and then.
 
Yea it looks nice but it's not needed here but thanks for mentioning it, but in another project I'm thinking about it would be perfect.
 
OK. I'll start getting the game set up without any mods. If I don't hear from olivertownshend, I'll just give him 3 Great Artists. :lol:
 
I figured out how to change your starting civics without requiring you to change them on T0. It seems crazy that a leader would be running default civics this late in the game. So, I propose that everyone PM me your chosen starting civics and I'll make it happen.

For your convenience, here are your choices.

EDIT: That table is for Vanilla. IIRC, some of the civic costs changed in BtS, but I don't recall which...
 
Wait, I chose Lincoln, right?

Do we also get prebuild improvements?
I lean towards Representation, but if we already get some Towns from the get-go that would be a perk for Universal Suffrage.
 
Yes, you chose Lincoln.

I have given you several pre-built improvements, including 4 towns, all of which are in the capital. At least that's my plan. If I don't do something to pump up your research rate, you guys will be researching Rocketry for 100 turns... ;)

You can either PM me your choices or put them in the thread if you don't care whether others know your choices.
 
I spent about 5 hours today creating the game and I'm still not quite done. :eek: The randomly generated maps did not distribute the islands fairly. The islands were four wide by four deep or something like that. 4 x 4 means that there were 16 slots for islands but only 7 are filled. So there were cases where one civ was isolated and others were surrounded. So I pretty much built every island from scratch. So, you'll see resources that would never happen in games (i.e. desert corn, grass deer, etc.). I had to monkey around with the land types to get all islands about the same and the outputs from the capitals as close as I could. I still have a bit more work to do. I plan to have a friend check it out too to make sure each island is set up fairly with respect to land, resources, etc...

I still need Civics choices from everyone but Hercules and Great People choices from magnusmarcus.
 
We can see Civics choices in the Info Screen anyway, so I don´t really care about privacy here.

That doesn´t really make my choice easier actually, before I was pretty sure I´d go with Representation but now there are some more factors I need to think of:

Do we start with any extra buildings beside the ones we naturally get because of the starting era?
With how much population do our cities start?
How many cities and how many Workers do we get?
Seeing as every player gets a religion, is our Capital the Holy city? I think we start with Shrine, yes?
 
True, you can see the other players' civic choices once the game starts. It's possible that what you pick publicly may convince others to follow your superior strategy. Or, they may see your choices after the game starts and waste several turns in anarchy to copy your strategy... ;)

I gave you guys a pretty nice capital to speed up the game a bit, else builds and research would take forever. So, your capital includes:

17 pops
20K culture
200 gold
Holy City of your religion
Palace (duh!)
Walls
Barracks
Stable
Granary
Aquaduct
Lighthouse
Harbor
Forge
Library
University
Observatory
Colosseum
Market
Grocer
Bank
Courthouse
All four buildings for your religion including the shrine.
All six of the other religion temples (I had to do this to raise the happy cap to support 17 pops).

Each capital, runing zero specialists, generates about +10F @ 17 pops, 14 base hammers, 60 base commerce. You have access to about 4 happiness resources, 7 health resources and all strategic resources. Every leader has different happy and health resources to allow working together via resource trades if that's the way you want to play it.

I had to give 3 or 4 leaders Hit Movies in their capital to allow +17 :). I didn't have to do that to all leaders because some happy resources provide +2 :) while others don't. I did my best to make things as fair as possible.

I was thinking about sending everyone a screen shot of his capital and island prior to starting so that they could formulate a strategy. It's possible that seeing these screenshots could alter GP choices and/or Civic choices.

BTW, I will give everyone map knowledge of everyone else's island, but the rest of the world will remain unexplored. There may be surprises hidden in the fog... :mischief:

EDIT: Each of you start with one city, one settler and two workers as agreed previously.
 
I figured out how to start you in your state religion in World Builder. Should I do that at the start of the game so that all of the religious civics are available? Or should it be a choice by each leader whether to start in a state religion?
 
WOW!!! Mitchum, seriously, thank you, this is amazing. To put in this kind of work for a game that you aren't even playing... incredible.

Re: religions - let us just choose from all available civics and if anyone chooses Organized Religion or Theocracy, then so be it.

I'll be the first and not be afraid to present my civic choices. especially since I'm spritual and can switch freely anyway ;)

Universal Suffrage
Bureaucracy
Emancipation
Environmentalism
Pacifism

and no state religion
 
I agree, pretty amazing effort put in. I like the idea of still unexplored areas of the map.
 
Nighthawk419 said:
WOW!!! Mitchum, seriously, thank you, this is amazing. To put in this kind of work for a game that you aren't even playing... incredible.

Re: religions - let us just choose from all available civics and if anyone chooses Organized Religion or Theocracy, then so be it.

I'll be the first and not be afraid to present my civic choices. especially since I'm spritual and can switch freely anyway ;)

Universal Suffrage
Bureaucracy
Emancipation
Environmentalism
Pacifism

and no state religion
Click to expand...

You're welcome. I know that these games last a long time it it sucks to get a ways into it only to find out that the map isn't fair or one player has an amazing advantage like starting on a plains hill with 2 gold resources and wet corn...

Nighthawk419 brings up a good point, which I think we brought up earlier. If everyone gets to chose their state religion and civics on T0, it kind of nerfs the Spiritual trait.

So, I'm fine with whatever you guys agree on the following:

Chose starting Civics?
As an alternative, how about getting to chose only 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 starting civics?
Choose starting State Religion?
 
Hercules90 said:
I like the idea of still unexplored areas of the map.
Click to expand...

I did include a little twist that will make the game more fun... at least it would be more fun if I were playing. It opens up several different strategies so that not everyone plays the same one.

As they say in Game of the Month (GOTM) games, never trust the map maker... :satan:
 
haha I like it! and its fine about the Spiritual trait - this late in the game it really only saves you from the 1 turn or anarchy it takes to switch anyway. I chose it for a reason - I like being able to quickly switch on the fly to what suits me... should I feel the need to defend myself quickly, I have that option ;)
 
Since you're the only Spiritual leader IIRC, then I guess we should let each player pick their starting 5 civics and whether to run a state religion or not.

For the record, switching to your state religion gives +3:) due to the religion (+1) and the cathedral (+2). You can't run a state religion if in Free Religion, so I think you miss out on the +2 from the Cathedral but you still get the +1 for the religion. Don't take my word for it though. If you want to be sure, either test it or go with what you think/know.
 
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