AG16 - OCC Deity

[Aggie]

Good work. My guess is that we will get the Colossus. Our city is twice as big as Memphis.

ROSTER :
Aggie
microbe (just played)
ThERat (up)
CarlosMM (on deck)
Greebley
bed_head7 (away until March 4th/5th)

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-turn
15 turns on Colossus, so i know what's up during my turns
there is still one Civ unknown to us
Mogols are up HBR, all others are even

1.2550BC
3 know mysticism now, HBR known by 2

4. 2390BC
all 4 civs know both techs, we couldn't get any of them
meet China beyond Celts
they don't know CB but have only 20g, up no tech

6.2310BC
Mongols know alphabet, we need 6 more turns

7. 2270BC
increase science to 80% at -1gpt, sicne we have 114g

9. 2190BC
Egypt border expands and the choke is their territory
Istanbul grows to 7 and we need to raise lux to 20%, but can lower science to 60%, alpha still in2

11. 2110BC
alphabet is in, go for writing at max
trade alphabet for mysticism and 13g from Aztecs
get HBR from China for alphabet
nobody is up a tech and 3 are down a tech each

12. 2070BC
how do the AI get techs when they got 0g, cheaters? now only 1 Civ 1 tech down

14. 1990BC
we get Colossus, set to temple in 6 to get some small growth as well
start a forest chop, hope we are lucky with a BG
Celts know polytheism now, due to Colossus, writing in 12 at 10%lux

15. 1950BC
2 AI's know writing and polytheism

shall we stop researching and try to trade writing? or keep it to have a potential trade bait?
we get it in 8 at 0gpt or can reduce science to 0 and make 20gpt
are we trying to get GL? I think we need it

 

[Aggie]

I would stop research and try to get Writing (EDIT: no, I would continue research. It's only 8 turns), then to Literature in a pace that matches a TGL build (Lit and TGL arrive at about the same time). I think that we have to get TGL.

ROSTER :
Aggie
microbe
ThERat (just played)
CarlosMM (up)
Greebley
bed_head7 (away until March 4th/5th)

 

[ThERat]

to Literature in a pace that matches a TGL build (Lit and TGL arrive at about the same time).

it was easier to achieve in DG of course, but it would be fantastic if that could work on deity as well.
soon, we will fall behind in techs, so far we were pretty lucky with trading

 

[plarq]

lurker's comment: If I see correctly,Istanbul is not coastal,it'll hurt in commerce and lator in production

Oh,my eyes!!!

 

[Greebley]

In many cases early techs cost twice as much to buy as they are to research. In general, I like keeping science high in the early game. I would go full on Writing. For timing, Lit, we need a wonder to switch to. The risk is if a cascade takes away our prebuild. This is even a bigger risk at deity than it was at Demigod.

Maybe we shoul start researching Lit quickly but then slow down when we are a turn away? That way we get lit if someone else gets it (price goes down so we get it next turn), or if we have no prebuild, we could at least try to get Lit in 1 turn to switch to the GLib. I think research happens before we have to switch. Hopefully, we will get switched to the GLib if it is possible to do so.

Edit: Lets not build a temple first. I think we should go for the GLib now. It is not worth delaying the GLib by 60 shields to save 1 gold per turn.

 

[shadow2k]

lurker's comment: If I see correctly,Istanbul is not coastal,it'll hurt in commerce and lator in production

Oh,my eyes!!!

lurker's comment: It is coastal, just barely. The tile directly W is coast, so they only have four total coastal tiles (including a fish). Probably one of the nicest coastal start types you can get, as they have a river, coast, fish, wheat, hills, forest, and silk. That's going to be a very nice city, especially if they find BG's under the forests.

They couldn't have started colossus without being coastal as well.

 

[Tomoyo]

lurker's comment: Not building a temple saves you 60 shields and doesn't cost you anything except culture. Remember, temples cost upkeep.

 

[Aggie]

Greebley, if you have time you can take it. CarlosMM doesn't seem to be around and he has to play AG15 as well...

 

[bed_head7]

I think my plan of putting myself at the end of the roster so I don't get skipped, well, isn't quite working out. Nice progress all.

 

[carlosMM]

greebly: I will not go this before Monday evening. Please take it if you can before that date.

 

[ThERat]

@Greebley, the temple is sort of a prebuild anyway, I just thought I let the next player decide, but the forest chop would make switching to a wonder impossible, we must not forget that, unless we swap to a wonder before the chop completes, just wasted the shields then.

 

[Aggie]

Will someone take it? Please

 

[carlosMM]

got it - will post this evening at the latest!

 

[carlosMM]

preturn: research stays on! So does the chop, and I will not switch to Pyrs for now. They will be done too soon anyways!


I see us NOT winning a philo gambit - seriously, there is NO WAY to prebuild Great Lib in this way! I think MM will take some... 20 turns or so - by then we will be out of prebuild options for sure. Ideas?

 

[Aggie]

None of us mentioned a Philo gambit. We are obviously researching too slow for that. It may be good to await the cascade that probably happens with the current wonders and then go for Lit/TGL. A prebuild like market, colosseum or another wonder may help to shorten the time between getting Lit and getting TGL. TGL is vital.

 

[microbe]

I think a lot of things are vital. GL yes, and AI wars too. We can't let them stay at peace and need to get them to fight each other asap.

If we can get GL, I'd like to introduce those AI to wars, and maybe take out Egypt in the mean time.

If we cannot get GL, unless the AI really screw up themselves, we probably will lose.

 

[ThERat]

philo gambit I don't think we ever thought of that, once we have writing go for lit and try and match with a potential prebuild such as ToA. has that been started or built?

 

[Greebley]

What I would do is see if anyone knows Philo when we get there (assuming we don't need lit right away). If noone does then it is sometimes viable. In our case it gives us more trading power if we don't get the GLib, but doesn't mean much if we [edit] do.

 

[carlosMM]

So we all agree philo is not possible - but with what should I prebuild a wonder if the most expensive thing we can build is actually a barracks?

We can't prebuild via a wonder as the only two we can build will be done soon I guarantee.