Ages, Gods, Heroes and Civilizations

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I'm surprised it's taken me this long. I've been playing this game for almost two years now and despite how much I really enjoy the lore of it all, I've never gone through and just read the whole civilopedia. I'm feeling a little overwhelmed as there are some fundamental of the lore that I still don't fully grasp. If someone could help me out with a rough time line of ages and events it'll help me frame a lot of the lore better.

* What are the ages? In what order did they appear and roughly how long were these ages? What event marked the transition of the ages?
* What are some landmark events in these ages? Creation/death of gods/angels/civs/races are probably the most key. But important decisions made that altered the face of Erebus might be helpful as well. I'm sure a lot of this will be in the civilopedia but I'm a visual learner. It helps if I can see it on a timeline.

Reading them in the game isn't really an ideal way to do a lot of reading. If you help me out I'll post a formatted full dump of the 'pedia entries. Once I write a script to rip and format them, that is. Incidentally this will also list the 'pedia entries that haven't been written yet. Perhaps when I've got a better understanding I can offer my (ahem, technical) writing services to help fill out the entries. It's something I should get to by next week.

Thanks for the help in advance!
 
Here is a summary of the Ages. Please note that there is a much more complete version in the Civilopedia.

Age of Angels
There may be an Age before this, before the Angels were created, but I cannot recall. This Age encompassed the creation of the 21 Angels by the One and every plane (including Erebus and the vaults) and every living thing. Humans were also created, by Nemed giving up his precept of Life to Arawn and becoming mortal. It ended with the One taking the power of creation from the Angels and Agares (and several other gods) rebelling. I am not sure how long it lasted. It could have been seven days, it could have been a million years.

Age of Dragons
This was the Age of the Gods War, in which the "good" gods attempted to fight those that rebelled, while the neutral gods tried to keep creation running. It is named after the greatest of the gods weapons, the dragons. This lasted tens of thousands of years and ended with the signing of the Compact and the withdrawl of the gods from creation.

Age of Magic
This age is marked by the creation of the Patrian Empire, the greatest Empire in the history of Erebus. It's ruler Kylorin was made immortal by Ceridwenn, the god of magic, and taught the ways of magic. Kylorin taught magic to 18 of his students, and they in turn taught it to their students. The mages all became corrupt, with Kylorin being the worst of the lot. Kylorin eventually realized what he did and repented, killing any mage that refused to do the same. This destroyed the Patrian Empire.

Meanwhile, the Illians suceeded in summoning Mulcarn, the god of Winter, into creation. This led to the freezing of the world. This age lasted several thousand years.

Age of Ice
This was the time of Mulcarn's rule on Erebus. The scattered tribes of man hid and the Illians (with the Doviello) ruled Erebus. It was during this time that Sucellus, god of Nature, was killed trying to stop Mulcarn. This Age lasted until Kylorin took a tribe of men under his wing, the Amurites, and led them to defeat the Doviello and Illians. Kylorin slayed Mulcarn, and was never heard from again. This Age lasted several hundred years.

Age of Rebirth
This is the Age that FFH2 takes place in, as well as most of the civilopedia entries. It is characterized by good times, and lasts as long as you can. Oh, also, Cernunnos becomes the new god of Nature (he was an arch Angel before) and Sucellus is reborn as the new god of Life (of which Arawn had control of before, along with Death).
 
Minor slip-up: there are actually 21 gods, though we only see mana for 18 of them in the game because we haven't worked out enough good spells for them.
 
Ah, my mistake. I was thinking there were 6 in each alignment. :crazyeye: Edited and fixed, thanks Corlis.
 
I believe that these ages are determined by historians after the fact, as ages in our world are.

Generally the Age of Dragons is considered the first age. That is of course because the Luonnotar are the mortals who know about The One. The Age of Angels does precede it, but almost know one knows about it.


We don't really know a lot about the lengths of the ages. I like the timespans given by Veridian, but there is nothing authoritative to confirm it. The only thing we know for sure is that the Age of Ice was a little over 400 years long and was shorter than the ages before it. Age of Rebirth cannon is left fairly open so players don't feel bound to play all their games the same. The scenarios seem to show most of the events as happening just a few decades into the age, although older versions described the circumstances around some of these events as happening 300 years into it.


Time began when The One created the Orb or Temporance to govern it. Nothing before that can really be considered an age. The creation of the True Heaven predates time. After creating the Orb, he created the 21 Angels. Generally the Age of Angels is considered to begin when the Angels were actually created, but I don't think there was an age for the (probably quite brief) time between the creation of time and of the angels so we might as well place that time in which probably nothing important happened in the same age. The Angels were apparently not all created at once. Junil is described as the eldest angel. Based mostly on their personalities, I'd guess that Mulcarn came next and that Tali, Sirona, and Amathaon were last. This all happened in the same age though. The angels spent a long but unknown length of time alone with The One and each other in the True Heaven studying and praising his handiwork before they were granted the Power of Creation themselves. Then they went forth and all creates their own seperate worlds, all but Dagda that is. Dagda implored his brethren to work together, and managed first to convince small groups of angels to create worlds of 2 or 3 precepts, which I believe The One found more pleasing than the worlds of only one. Some of these worlds may have been formed by merging worlds that seperate angels had already made, but we know that Mulcarn and Agares at least continued to maintain words where no other precepts were allowed. Dagda eventually convinced his brethren to all work together and create a single world in perfect balance between all elements, and then to create Man as a special creature descended from the gods and possessing equal parts of all elements so that it would possess The One's twin gifts of intelligence and a divine spark and would also possess the true free will that each angel's precept denied him. Nemed chose to give up his godhood to sire this race, and Gabella was created to bear it. The One came to Erebus and was pleased with it, especially with Man. I am of the opinion that it was seeing how his creation Nemed had gained true freedom by giving up his precept that made The One decide to remove the Power of Creation, as it was the power that allowed the angel's precepts to have such control over them and limited their free will. Agares had suspected this, and created infinite plains of pure elements and used gems stolen from the true heaven to allow access to these plains, so that he and his brethren could continue to create forever. Gabella rebelled against Nemed, Agares was found still improving his world of Nyx, and the stage was set for the Godswar.

The usual point given for the end of the Age of Angels and the beginning of the Age of Dragons is when The One closed off The True Heaven, not when he took away the power of Creation. Some scholars may differ about this though. Personally I think it would probably make sense to split this age up into several smaller ages, but since few details are know the Luonnatar textbooks' chapters on those ages would probably bee too short.


Before leaving, The One tasked the angels still loyal to him with protecting Creation and guiding Man to enlightenment until he returned (so that he could return without his holiness destroying his beloved creation), NOT with fighting the Evil gods. Some conflict may have been necessary, but I think that the angels took it too far. The One may have said or implied that he did not want the angels to tell Man about him, or maybe they were tricked into believing that his absence meant that. The gods first began creating angels to help them with their various tasks, but soon this changed into a huge arms race. The first angel each Angel/God created was the strongest, his Archangel. Arawn had twins for his 2 precepts, and Agares refrained from making any angels ever although he managed to corrupt enough to get the largest army. As is armies of Angels weren't enough, the gods invented Beasts purely as weapons of the godswar. The greatest of these were the Dragons for whom man named this age, although it was likely well into the age before the first one was made. I believe that Amathoan created Eurabates to be the ultimate weapon, a beast with strength greater than any archangel, nearly on par with a god. He likely wanted to withdraw from the war himself, but thought that someone from his sphere needed to keep fighting evil or that the best way to be able to withdraw was to have such a power weapon as a deterrent or to just escalate things and hope to finish the war early. Soon other gods tried to copy The Golden One, and although they never truly succeeded their beasts were still truly fearsome. After Sucellus and Danaln were dragged into the war, Cassiel begged Dagda to try to put an end to hostilities by uniting the neutral gods to force a truce. Some may count this truce as the and of the age, but generally the signing of the Compact is the end marker here.


The Age of Magic is probably recorded as starting as soon as the Compact was signed, but magic itself was likely not discovered until centuries into the age when Kylorin began following Ceridwen. Well, that may not be technically true, as men had subconsciously been using minor magic throughout the Age of Dragons, but true sorcery began with Kylorin's fall. I suspect that the growth of the real human civilizations and their unification under one king took at least a couple generations and would not have been considered the same age by historians later in the age of magic. The era of the Patrian civil war may have been recorded as a different age then too.

The change from Age of Magic to Age of Ice could be placed at the fall of Bhall, the summoning of Mulcarn, or the death of Sucellus. I believe these all happened the same year though, so it isn't a big deal which is chosen. The change from Age of Ice to Age of Rebirth may be recorded as the day Mulcarn was slain, but the resurrection of Sucellus is likely a more accurate measure. If old pedia entries are to be believed, the 6 of the 7 pieces of Sucellus body had been recovered before Mulcarn's death, so the difference here wouls perhaps be only the time it took Kylorin ( ro someone) to carry Sucellus's heart from Letum Frigus to the Tomb of Sucellus. Of course, the Same entry stated that Kylorin was only 450 years old when he joined the Amurites. AoI shows that this happened 400 years into the Age of Ice. I believe that Kylorin is described as being the man who unified this nation (although he may have inherited a smaller kingdom and simply gained a few vassals to form Patria) and that he did this after becoming an adult, so that means that the rise and fall of Patria its successor states together lasted under 30 years. It would also mean that Eve died, was reborn, reached adulthood and died at least 2 or 3 times in 30 years. I think this entry was changed for good reason, because that chronology just doesn't make any sense.
 
You forgot to mention the Age of Despair, am not sure if that counts though. The Age of Despair is when Hyborem takes over Erebus.
And how could Bhall's fall and Mulcarn's summoning be in the same year. I thought that the Rain of Fire lasted several years and that was why only the Luichuirp, with their golems, had enough soldiers left to attempt to stop the Illians from summoning Mulcarn. The fire destroyed most of the harvests and starved many people.
 
You forgot to mention the Age of Despair, am not sure if that counts though. The Age of Despair is when Hyborem takes over Erebus.
And how could Bhall's fall and Mulcarn's summoning be in the same year. I thought that the Rain of Fire lasted several years and that was why only the Luichuirp, with their golems, had enough soldiers left to attempt to stop the Illians from summoning Mulcarn. The fire destroyed most of the harvests and starved many people.

The Age of Despair isnt in FfH. I think one of the mod modders made it up.
 
All Hail the 2nd Great Prophet of the (angelic choir) FFH2 Team! :worship:
All Hail the One who saw their Secret Workings! :worship:
Oh Great One, Can you Explain Unto this Undeserving Servant Their Next Plans for this Humble World? :please:
 
You forgot to mention the Age of Despair, am not sure if that counts though. The Age of Despair is when Hyborem takes over Erebus.
And how could Bhall's fall and Mulcarn's summoning be in the same year. I thought that the Rain of Fire lasted several years and that was why only the Luichuirp, with their golems, had enough soldiers left to attempt to stop the Illians from summoning Mulcarn. The fire destroyed most of the harvests and starved many people.

As Kael said, that is not in FfH. The civilopedia anticipates that the next age will be the Age of Enlightenment, when Good defeats evil and the world is mane ready for the return of The One. Some think the Age of Rebirth is the same as the Age of Enlightenment, and that the evils that happen then happen so that Man will learn the truth and turn away from evil. This may of course be just wishful thinking.




I keep misremembering the AoI predia entry that mentions the Fire Rain as saying that Mulcarn entered creation a mere 21 days later, when it actually indicates that Agares had encouraged Mulcarn to prepare for his attack when he planted the seeds of doubt in Bhall 21 days before she truly fell. Still, I don't thin much time passed between these events. Sucellus's battle with Mulcarn was probably much longer than the time from Bhall's fall to Mulcarn's rise, but it startedvery shortly after Mulcarn entered Creation.

Bhall is the goddess of rapid change, so her fall would be a very quick but intense event. I don't think it would have lasted years, or even as much as a week. It would however have been very intense, and as her priests were the most numerous they would have set every major city or town on fire and tried to kill everyone that didn't fall to the rain of fire itself. You should also note that this catastrophe happened in the middle of the great civil war, so the armies of each patrian nation had likely decimated each other before the fire rain began. The Bannor
 
Ah, my mistake. I was thinking there were 6 in each alignment. :crazyeye: Edited and fixed, thanks Corlis.

Yeah, every civ has its own patron god and every god has its own sphere of magic, though obviously some civs like the Grigori and Mercurians do not get on with their patron gods, and some do not get on with their sphere of magic, like the Sidar

It goes:
Amurites/Oghma/Metamagic
Balseraphs/Mammon/Mind
Bannor/Junil/Law
Calabim/Aeron/Body
Clan of Embers/Bhall/Fire
Doviello/Camulos/Chaos
Elohim/Sirona/Spirit
Grigori/Dagda/Force
Hippus/Tali/Air
Illians/Mulcarn/Ice*
Infernal/Agares/Entropy
Khazad/Kilmorph/Earth
Kuriotates/Amathaon/Creation
Lanun/Danalin/Water
Ljosalfar/Cernnunos/Nature
Luchuirp/Nantosuelta/Enchanting
Malakim/Lugus/Sun
Mercurians/Sucellus/Life
Sheaim/Ceridwen/Dimensional
Sidar/Arawn/Death
Svartalfar/Esus/Shadow

So there are:
6 Good Gods: Amathaon, Junil, Lugus, Nantosuelta, Sirona & Sucellus
7 Neutral Gods: Arawn, Cernnunos, Dagda, Danalin, Kilmorph, Oghma, Tali
and 8 Evil Gods: Aeron, Agares, Bhall, Camulos, Ceridwen, Esus, Mammon, Mulcarn*

*As of end of the Age of Ice, Mulcarn is dead, eventually replaced by with Auric
 
Thanks for the replies. This is all very helpful. I think what was confusing me was I was equating the stages of FfH development to the Ages ... for example, I was wondering when the Age of Shadow was.

I just want to clarify two things:
* Of the gods, Bhall, Mulcarn, Sucellus have been "killed" while the whereabouts of Danalin is unknown? The rest reside in their vaults and do have an impact on their followers?
* Bannor, Grigori, Infernal, and Mercurians civilizations were founded by the angels of their patron god? Do we know who the angels of the other gods are?
 
We know who the archangels of the other gods are. There is a list of them in the pedia.
 
Bhall didn't die, she merely fell from the good side.
Sucellos died in the same way that Osiros died in Egyptian mythology
Danalin is in his vault, he is unconcious/coma
Ceridwen doesn't really have a "vault" as such, just space with portals
And what do you mean Age of Shadow?
 
Thanks for the replies. This is all very helpful. I think what was confusing me was I was equating the stages of FfH development to the Ages ... for example, I was wondering when the Age of Shadow was.
No, the stages and ages are quite different. There wasn't an Age of Shadow, Age of Fire, or Age of Light.
I just want to clarify two things:
* Of the gods, Bhall, Mulcarn, Sucellus have been "killed" while the whereabouts of Danalin is unknown? The rest reside in their vaults and do have an impact on their followers?

Bhall never died, she only laid in a coma in Agares' hell (where she still dwells) after her fall and awakened (after her form changed from beautiful to ugly) shortly before the end of the Age of Ice. Her heaven was ripped apart by her fall, and some pieces of it fell to earth. I think a small portion of her heavens is largely intact but vacant and could be used by Brigit if she managed to usurp the precept from Bhall, while other uncorrupted parts of her heaven likely merged with that of Lugus. As Empyrean literally means "on fire" I like to think that the word Empyrean was the name of her heaven and religion in the Age of Magic and that the same name was later reapplied to Lugus's despite not being all that similar to Bhall's


Mulcarn was the only god truly killed, soul and all I think. Mulcarn cannot be found anywhere in the worlds the angels made, not even in the underworld. Auric wasn't really his reincarnation, only a new host that his precept sought.

Sucellus left his vault to enter Creation and then had his body broken and his soul sent to the underworld, much like a human soul would be. When the 7 pieces of his body were reunited and his soul rose up to join them he returned to Erebus as the God of Life, but likely soon left to take over Nemed's old vault that had been lying vacant since before the birth of the human race. Nemed never created a single angel, so there are no rue angels of the life sphere. Some angels of other spheres (mostly from Sucelus' old sphere I'd guess) may have joined him, but his army would still be the smallest and would be made mostly of former mortals. It is possible that Sucellus never actually left Erebus after his resurrection but rather chose to dwell here in an incorporeal form, as Arthendain's entry now speaks of his spirit hovering through Prespur and rescuing Arthendain personally rather than Arthendain finding himself if Sucellus's vault as it did a long time ago. Normally I'd think that a god living in Erebus would be a breach of the Compact, but Sucellus was given a special dispensation to enter this plane to fight Mulcarn and may now be the only god allowed here.

I'd pretty sure that Danalin is still in his vault, he is just asleep and having his dreams manipulated (but not fully controlled) by Hastur.



I would guess that all other gods reside in their own vaults, but perhaps they visit other vaults from time to time. Bhall of course visited Nyx (Agares hell) before she fell, and Sucellus briefly entered it to rescue Cernunnos back during the godswar. It has been stated that Agares' respect for Nemed applies to the heir to his sphere as well, so that Sucellus is now the only good god that an visit Nyx peacefully. I believe there used to be a pedia entry describing one such visit (in Agares explained that he made Nyx a world of complete darkness instead of modeling it after the true heaven because any light would only reveal how imperfect the best efforts of the angels to copy heaven always were and would thus mock him for even trying. Sucellus also infuriated Agares by implying that he had helped mortals get a hold of the gems of creation, a charge he vehemently denied.) but that entry is gone now.


Kael has stated that before Trenton Majosi found the ritual that the Illians later used that entering Erebus wasn't thought of as just a breach of the compact, but as a physical impossibility. He seemed to say that no god had ever personally been to Erebus. However, this seems to contradict a lot of other lore so I usually choose to ignore it. The pedia clearly states that the gods sometimes (although rarely) fought face to face in Erebus in the Godswar, that Sucellus personally dwelt with the Elves in the heart of the forest before he got involved in the war, that all the gods met in creation at the Seven Pines, that Agares was in Creation when he captured Gower, that Ceridwen appeared to Kylorin in Erebus to prevent his suicide and corrupt him, and that Sucellus entered creation without the need for that ritual. Kael has also stated that the gods frequently visited Nemed on his farm, at the site where the Seven Pines would later grow. I prefer to think that the only thing keeping the gods out of Erebus was Dagda enforcing the power of Compact. Most of the gods' entries into creation were before that was signed, so there was nothing stopping it then. Mulcarn's entry was a breach of the compact, but enough gods met to approve Sucellus's entry (possibly constituting an amendment to the Compact) that he can be in Erebus legally. That may imply that Ceridwen has broken the compact but been subtle enough about it not to arouse suspicion or maybe that she just sent visions of herself rather than her real presence.

* Bannor, Grigori, Infernal, and Mercurians civilizations were founded by the angels of their patron god? Do we know who the angels of the other gods are?

I'm not really sure that you could say that Hyborem founded the Infernals, as they have existed as the demons of hell since before he was made. Bhall's presence inspired the demons to take on greater action in Creation, which led many demon lords to plot invasion plans. Agares prefers his demons compete for his favor instead of following a strict hierarchy, so his archangel Hyborem is only the leader of the strongest faction of demons seeking to make a home in Erebus. With a little very subtle help from Agares and more direct action by the Ashen Veil he managed to be the first to break into the mortal realm, but demonic rivals may follow.


We don't have many details on most of them, but we do find all their names in the pedia.
[quote='pedia History section]
The archangels were:
Amathaon- Maponos the Young
Sucellus- Cernunnos
Bhall- Brigit the Shining
Kilmorph- Goibniu
Lugus- Baelious ("fortune")
Aeron- Odio (who was imprisoned by Kilmorph during the age of dragons)
Dagda- Cassiel
Mammon- Hastur, Lord of Nightmares
Junil- Sabathiel
Oghma- Embarr ("imagination")
Camulos- The Avatar of Wrath
Nantosuelta- Splendor
Ceridwen- Kanna, Mistress of Pain
Sirona- Pelian the Suffering
Esus- Iaegus
Tali- Leucetious (Bringer of Storms)
Arawn- Gyra and Basium (the twins)
Danalin- Condatis
Mulcarn- Taranis the Unchanging
Agares- None (until the later creation of Hyborem, Lord of the Balors)[/quote]

You know about Cassiel, Sabathiel, Basium, and Hyborem, obviously.

The Avatar of Wrath probably spends most of his time in Camulos's vault trying to kill Camulos and take over his precept. Of course, he also comes to Erebus sometimes, when the AC is turned up high enough.

We know that Taranis entered Creation and fought off Sucellus to a stalemate (because his unchanging nature meant he could not be injured, and since the essence of Nature is gradual instead of instant change Sucellus did not manage to destroy him all at once), and at least when I played AoI was later killed by an Amurite Assassin. Normally when an angel or demon dies its soul returns to its god's vault to regenerate its body and heal over time. Taranis's unchanging nature may however mean that this healing is impossible.


Cernunnos lived with Sucellus and the elves in Erebus during the Age of Dragons, and probably stayed with Sucellus when he left for his vault after signing the compact and when he returned to fight Mulcarn. Cernunnos spent all of the Age of Ice with the Ljosalfar, who would not have survived without him. When he was given the precept of nature and became a god he had to leave Erebus for his newly inherited vault. Neither he nor Sucellus have an archangel now.


We know where Brigit is being held, and how to free her.

Likewise we know where Odio is held, and in my version how to free him.

As a child Ethne the White saw Splendor in the form of a blue and yellow bird.

Hastur dwells in Danalin's vault, whispering in the gods ear.

Condatis came to Falamar and tasked him with stopping Tabryn so that she would have time to fight Hastur in Danalin's vault and hopefully wake her god up.

Gyra may have been trapped by Tabryn's runes, but most likely he just stopped her from emerging from that well in time to stop him from creating the Dead Lands. She is probably now busy in the Underworld trying to fight Laroth, which is hard because Dagda refuses to believe he is a threat and so will not order any of his angels to obey her.

I believe that Kael has stated that Leucetious spends most of his time in Erebus, riding on hurricanes and similar storms. He is not fallen, but I believe he ignores any commands Tali may give him. The Air sphere is mostly about shirking one's responsibilities to have have random fun, so this is one archangel that doesn't have to fall to be able to do whatever the hell he wants. I think Leucetious is a little darker than Tali, but still not truly evil.


I don't think we really know anything more about the rest of them
 
We know who the archangels of the other gods are. There is a list of them in the pedia.

Good. That's all I need to hear. I'll get to them then.

Bhall didn't die, she merely fell from the good side.
Sucellos died in the same way that Osiros died in Egyptian mythology
Danalin is in his vault, he is unconcious/coma
Ceridwen doesn't really have a "vault" as such, just space with portals
And what do you mean Age of Shadow?

Bhall - Okay, that makes more sense ... So Bannor used to follow Bhall, then she fell and the Clan took over and tried to eradicate the Bannor ... and Junil helped the Bannor return to Erebus? I'm sure this is all explained in the 'pedia.

Sucellus - So Sucellus died but was reborn and is now the god of the dead? Or just the reborn part? Maybe I'm a little fuzzy on my Egyptian Mythos, it has been well over 15 years since I studied that. So this means Mulcarn was the only god that has truly died. Gotcha.

Age of Shadows - This is just my confusion between the FfH development stages and the ages. I thought they were named similarly but from what I remember the Shadow stage introduced Shadow mana and the Sidar (and the Svaltfar as a playable civ.) The Ice stage introduced the Illians as a playable civ and Ice magic. Nevermind, I was just confuzzled.
 
Bhall fell and crashed into the Bannor capitol. She, the city, and everyone in it landed in Hell. All the Bannor that didn't live in the capitol were turned into orcs+goblins. Sabathiel came to the Baannor trapped in Hell and saved them from instant death. They fought their way through each hell and came out a Portal they found. Donal Lugh stayed behind to buy them time and creating him in the game is more like his final escape from hell.

Sucellus is still the god of Life, when I said like Osiros I meant he was chopped up and was reborn when his body was reunited.
 
Before Bhall's fall the Orks were human, and most were Bannor citizens. Orks and Goblins were humans and elves who were loyal to Bhall and remained loyal to her when she fell and were thus corrupted along with her. Only those who were in the center of the city of Braduk (mostly nobles and priests) at the time of Bhall's fall were dragged into hell with her. Some of those who followed Bhall and were not dragged into hell remained holy, but they were murdered by those who did not. I suspect that most of those dragged into hell with her became corrupted too, but a small band remained holy and Sabathiel was sent to save them. Junil did not have a real religion in Erebus in the Age of Magic (it is said he had sworn not to get involved here), but he was close to Bhall and was revered by many of her worshipers. The Bannor whom Sabathiel rescued were those who clung to the principles of justice thy had learned along with righteous indignation while in Bhall's service. Law became their guide, and any who ever deviated from these laws quickly found themselves being consumed by entropy and withering away or becoming demons. Those Bannor were left in hell, while the righteous emerged and immediate found themselves in a war with their Orkish brethren. Only a small group survived hell, so a majority of the Bannor Empire later in the age was made of lesser men under the leadership the great houses founded by those who survived both hell and the orkish onslaught.


Sucellus died physically (since the 7 pieces of his boy were buried and forcibly kept apart in the frozen earth) and his immortal soul passed on to the land of the dead, like a human soul would. He aided Arawn, then god of Life and Death, take care of a massive influx of the souls of those who died from the Rain of Fire and from the long winter. Six pieces of Sucellus's body had been reassembled before Kylorin killed Mulcarn, and the seventh (his heart) was taken from Letum Frigus. While Sucellus was in the Netherworld, he constantly begged Arawn to let him come back to life, but Arawn wanted nothing to do with Creation and resurrection was impossible so long as the god of life cut himself and his precept off from Creation. Sucellus failed to convince Arawn to get involved, but he eventually convinced him to grant him the precept of Life (which Arawn had taken over when the original God of Life, Nemed, gave it up to sire the human race). Using this power, he opened the passages that let souls return to the world of the living and used them to reunite his soul with his flesh. Sucellus emerged now as the God of Life, and feared that the personality change associated with it would prevent him from serving well as the God of Nature still. The only god to have 2 spheres before was Arawn, who did not serve the life sphere very well. To make sure both his spheres were well represented, Sucellus granted his original sphere to his archangel Cernunnos. Cernunnos had been the greatest of the archangels, but he id now the weakest of the gods.
 
Before Bhall's fall the Orks were human, and most were Bannor citizens. Orks and Goblins were humans and elves who were loyal to Bhall and remained loyal to her when she fell and were thus corrupted along with her...

Funny... haven't seen any Orks in FfH. Orcs aplenty, but no Orks. (That's probably a good thing for Erebus, though.)

:p
 
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