Ahmadinejad claims full nuclearization within a year.

[Stylesjl]

So what if Iran wants an atom bomb? It would keep America off their bloody backs

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

So what if Iran wants an atom bomb? It would keep America off their bloody backs

I-S-R-A-E-L.

Here's a drinking game for you. Wait until Iran gets a nuke, and then wait until they attakc Israel. Take a shot for every day in between those two. I doubt you'll get more than a buzz.

Oh, and the only reason the United States in on Iran's back is because they want a nuke. If they didn't we probably wouldn't care that much.

Oh, yea, and they attacked our embassy and took a hundred of our citizens hostage for 444 days.

 

[amadeus]

So what if Iran wants an atom bomb? It would keep America off their bloody backs

We wouldn't be on their backs if they weren't so hell-bent on killing Jews and giving arms to terrorists.

 

[silver 2039]

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is strongly against the nuclear program of Iran. The Kingdom feels that an Iranian nuclear weapon program is against the teachings of Islam, and is destablizing to the fragile peace in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia calls upon Iran to submit to IAEA inspections to verify as to the nataure of their program and if Iran fails to comply actions such as targeted sanctions should be taken against it.

 

[Winner]

The future (assuming there is one) will laugh at us for attempting to keep nukes to ourselves. Just as we'd laugh at people before us attempting to stop the spread of crossbow technology.

Or alternatively, the world will laugh at your inability to prevent them from getting them.


"Dear children, who do you think was the stupidest president in our history?"

"Bush, Bush, Bush!"

"Why do you think that? Because he invaded Iraq and alienated our allies in Europe?"

"No, because he let Iran get the bomb and 7 years later, there was a nuclear war between Iran and Israel which killed 20 million people and led to the destruction of jewish state."

"Veeery well, you're clever kids!"


Rambuchan and other liberal pseudo-humanists place equal sign between democratic countries like US and dictatorships or theocracies like North Korea and Iran.

That argument is false. There is no equality. These countries defy international law, they violate treaties they signed, they violate basic human rights of their citizens. By no means could they be considered equal to United States, France, India, Israel or any other democratic country.

Let's get back to Godwin's law: if the Allies hadn't allowed Germany to rearm, the second world war would have not happened. I am sure many people were saying in that time: "why shouldn't Germany have an army? By what right do we want to keep it only for ourselves?"

You get the idea.

 

[Tee Kay]

Iran is a member of the IAEA and its nuclear program is entirely within the guidelines of the IAEA.

Had the West not made such a racket this the IAEA or the UN wouldn't have done anything, because technically Iran hadn't done anything that is in violation of international treaties.

 

[Winner]

Iran is a member of the IAEA and its nuclear program is entirely within the guidelines of the IAEA.

Had the West not made such a racket this the IAEA or the UN wouldn't have done anything, because technically Iran hadn't done anything that is in violation of international treaties.

No, they just refuse to let the inspectors check some of their nuclear facilities

 

[Tee Kay]

Hmmm...I wonder, if the IAEA decided to inspect the nuke programs of "United States, France, India, Israel or any other democratic country", would these countries' enlightened government allow the IAEA to inspect all of their nuclear facilities?

 

[boarder]

Iran hasn't violated any part of the IAEA agrement, they have allowed all inspectors into every nuclear site apart. They refused entry into military sites which duh is in there rights, why let people look all over there military hardware,in a region with a agressive neighbour like Israel that would be crazy.
In fact Iran has had more nuclear inspections than any other country.

Oh and if they do build a nuke,maybe its a good thing to balance up the overwhealming power of Israel.

Iran anti semite...thats not what the 25000 Jews living there say as they practise there religion in peace, but we all know better than them know don't we.

 

[Winner]

Hmmm...I wonder, if the IAEA decided to inspect the nuke programs of "United States, France, India, Israel or any other democratic country", would these countries' enlightened government allow the IAEA to inspect all of their nuclear facilities?

Under the NPT treaty, they are allowed to have nuclear weapons. On the other hand, Iran is not.

 

[Winner]

Iran hasn't violated any part of the IAEA agrement, they have allowed all inspectors into every nuclear site apart. They refused entry into military sites which duh is in there rights, why let people look all over there military hardware,in a region with a agressive neighbour like Israel that would be crazy.

Israel has nuclear weapons since early 60's. How many times did they use them?

Iran wants nuclear weapons because they want to increase their relative power in the region. Which is a bad thing for us Westerners.

In fact Iran has had more nuclear inspections than any other country.

Oh and if they do build a nuke,maybe its a good thing to balance up the overwhealming power of Israel.

Balance?

Israel has population of how many? 7 million? Iran has 70 million inhabitants, and Arab countries have another hundreds of millions. So who has to balance the overwhelming power of the enemy?

People like you are in fact paving the way for the destruction of Israel.

Iran anti semite...thats not what the 25000 Jews living there say as they practise there religion in peace, but we all know better than them know don't we.

Yeah, they live as happy 2nd class citizens, wonderful.

This crazy and dangerous idealism of some Westerners makes me sick...

 

[boarder]

Israel has nuclear weapons since early 60's. How many times did they use them?:

And how many wars had Iran started...none
How many has Israel started...hmmmm

Iran wants nuclear weapons because they want to increase their relative power in the region. Which is a bad thing for us Westerners.

Most countrys want to increase there influence and power in there specific region. I don't see why Iran should be any different or that its a bad thing for them to do so in the area which they live in...

:
Balance?

Israel has population of how many? 7 million? Iran has 70 million inhabitants, and Arab countries have another hundreds of millions. So who has to balance the overwhelming power of the enemy?

People like you are in fact paving the way for the destruction of Israel.:

Thats just stupid, maybe 50 plus years ago numbers equalled power, now technology equals power. To prove my point with Israel having 7 million or so whom in the region could beat them at a war, even if they ganged up togther they couldn't, therefore your argument is flawed.

I would in fact say people like me would rather see all of them living in peace and harmony, and if it takes a nuclear armed Iran to stop Israel from attacking its neighbours, then so be it, heck it stopped a war between Russia and USA...MAD anyone?

Yeah, they live as happy 2nd class citizens, wonderful.

This crazy and dangerous idealism of some Westerners makes me sick...

Really and this ignorance that Iran is like a nazi state that hates jews sickens me.

 

[Winner]

And how many wars had Iran started...none
How many has Israel started...hmmmm

Two pre-emptive strikes against totally superior enemy force, which was building up near its borders, preparing to strike. If they waited for their attack, there would be no Israel left to defend.

But yeah, liberal pseudo-humanists live in that nice fancy world of peace, love, fraternity and moral highgrounds where no such things like necessity don't exist, right?

Most countrys want to increase there influence and power in there specific region. I don't see why Iran should be any different or that its a bad thing for them to do so in the area which they live in...

Then you're blind. They support Hezbollah - a terrorist organization. They support Hamas - another terrorist organization. They support Iraqi Shia - ask yourself why. They're building ballistic missiles, that can threaten not only Israel, but Europe as well. They want to get nuclear weapons. They threaten to shut down traffic in Strait of Hormuz, which would cut the oil supplies for the West and Asia.

Stronger Iran means problem for us, because their ultimate agenda is to hurt the West as much as possible.

Thats just stupid, maybe 50 plus years ago numbers equalled power, now technology equals power. To prove my point with Israel having 7 million or so whom in the region could beat them at a war, even if they ganged up togther they couldn't, therefore your argument is flawed.

Oh my gods, this is killing me Now tell me, that population, territory and resources have nothing to do with economic and military strenght The fact Israel is more developed now won't last forever. Even if its enemies are stupid and incompetent, they'll get stronger in time because of their vast reserves of natural resources and sheer amount of people.

Why the hell do you think Israel developed this superiority? Because it was the only way to ballance the overwhelming power of the enem! Now, the balance of power is uncertain. Israel's enemies are trying to get the weapons of mass destruction. Many Arab states now also have modern weaponry.

If you want to "balance" the power in the Middle East, you have to support Israel, because if you don't, you're in fact destabilizing the entire region.

I would in fact say people like me would rather see all of them living in peace and harmony, and if it takes a nuclear armed Iran to stop Israel from attacking its neighbours, then so be it, heck it stopped a war between Russia and USA...MAD anyone?

I can't believe anyone can be so ignorant.

Israel is attacked EVERY FRAKKING DAY for last 58 years. All of its neighbours have attacked it many times. Many of its neighbours support terrorist movements that carry out attacks on Israel.

So who the hell is the aggressor? Godsdammit

Really and this ignorance that Iran is like a nazi state that hates jews sickens me.

Mr. Ahmadinejad quotes:

Holocuast denial

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets."

"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them."

"The real Holocaust is what is happening in Palestine where the Zionists avail themselves of the fairy tale of Holocaust as blackmail and justification for killing children and women and making innocent people homeless."

"The West claims that more than six million Jews were killed in World War II and to compensate for that they established and support Israel. If it is true that the Jews were killed in Europe, why should Israel be established in the East, in Palestine?"

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel. Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?"

Threats against Israel

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

Relations with West

"[There is] no significant need for the United States."

"Iranians possess delicate characteristics. They introduce their merits, which are extremely attractive to whole the world."

"We are ready to hold dialogue with all countries of the world except for the Israeli regime."

"Those who insulted the prophet should know that you cannot obscure the sun with a handful of dust. The dust will just get back and blind your own eyes."

"We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point - that is the Almighty God. My question for you is, 'Do you not want to join them?'"

"There are no limits to our dialogue."

"Do you think you are dealing with a 4-year-old child to whom you can give some walnuts and chocolates and get gold from him?"

Conspiracy theory

"Could [9/11] be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services - or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren't those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial?"

Freedom of speech

"We believe that accurate dissemination of news and information is necessary for political growth and awareness as well as effective interaction among nations in today's world."

 

[boarder]

And on the other hand with no time...Ahmad is the most misquoted person in the new millenium, in fact he hardly ever mentions Israel but refers to zionists...as to prove my misquoted point.

 

[Bast]

Can somebody PLEASE stop Iran!?!

 

[mdwh]

But yeah, liberal pseudo-humanists live in that nice fancy world of peace, love, fraternity and moral highgrounds where no such things like necessity don't exist, right?

I thought it was the authoritarian fascists (well, if we're going to pigeon hole people into labels, I'll pick the extreme opposite to liberal) who seem to think they have the moral highground - namely that we can have nukes, but it's wrong for other countries to do the same.

The viewpoints aren't mutually exclusive. It's perfectly possible to acknowledge that (a) It is a bad thing for us if Iran has nuclear weapons, and (b) One can hardly blame them for wanting them (e.g., it's the only way to get the US off your back, and it's no different to the reasons the US has them).

 

[Princeps]

Can somebody PLEASE stop Iran!?!

Why?

Let's see who's the real threat here.

Case against Iran. Evidence that Iran is the aggressor.

Alligations of funding resistence organizations in Lebanon and Palestine.
Interpitations of their rhetoric.
Alligations of secret nuclear projects - presumptions that Iran would use them offensively - on contrary to common sense which would dictate that Iran uses them defensively.

See my sig. Iranian president's speach was highly misinterpreted.

Case against Iran is very weak.

Case against US. Evidence that US is the aggressor.

United States President openly labels legal Iranian government as "evil"
US funds and arms Israel - Israel is a terrorist state with complete disregard for human rights and international laws. Iran feels threatened by it, as it has the capacity to launch attacks into Iran. But simply, US funds and arms Iranian enemies.
The United States is and has been aggressive in the past.
The United States openly bullies the Iranian government.
The United States surrounds Iran both from the west and east with hundreds of thousands of troops, fleets, tanks etc, and has the capacity to bomb Iran into stone ages without much effort.
US allows the oppression of millions in its allied states and supports corrupt and oppressive dictatorships.
US has previously, namely in Iraq, invaded a soverign state and replaced it with a puppet regime.
US has previously attacked Iran (operation Ajax, Iraq-Iran war) and has supported unpopular and corrupt regime in Iran.


The case against US is very strong.

United States is an aggressive and expansionist power, while so far, Iran has been relatively peaceful state that has minded its own business. I can agree with Iran, US has absolutely no right to interfene with Iranian domestic policies.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Hmmm...I wonder, if the IAEA decided to inspect the nuke programs of "United States, France, India, Israel or any other democratic country", would these countries' enlightened government allow the IAEA to inspect all of their nuclear facilities?

Yes, they would, and they have.

A few months ago, Brazil was intent on creating a nuclear program for the purposes of fission powered plants. The IAEA came in and investigated their facilities, and found them to be in some kind of violation, and ordered them to stop.
Guess what? They stopped. That's because Brazil is a responsible nation.

Iran is not a responsible nation; if they had nothing to hide, then why not let inspectors so they can prove those allegations wrong?

 

[zenspiderz]

Yes, they would, and they have.

A few months ago, Brazil was intent on creating a nuclear program for the purposes of fission powered plants. The IAEA came in and investigated their facilities, and found them to be in some kind of violation, and ordered them to stop.
Guess what? They stopped. That's because Brazil is a responsible nation.

Iran is not a responsible nation; if they had nothing to hide, then why not let inspectors so they can prove those allegations wrong?

They have allowed IAEA inspectors to inspect their facilities. Isreal and Pakistan have not even signed the NPT nor allowed inspection of any facilities. I would say Iran is a good deal more 'responsible' than either Pakistan or Isreal.

 

[nivi]

They have allowed IAEA inspectors to inspect their facilities. Isreal and Pakistan have not even signed the NPT nor allowed inspection of any facilities. I would say Iran is a good deal more 'responsible' than either Pakistan or Isreal.

Israel has been extremely responsible with its WMD, not using it even though it close to destruction, can you say the same about Iran and its chemical WMD?