AI attitude after patch

Did you have a high score? Small army? Expand too fast? Chain denounced? Refuse requests? Completely wipe out a civ leaving not one city for them?
 
Gamewizard said:
Like many have said already, you need to have a couple DoF's, but not too many or else you'll be in trouble when "Your friends found a reason to denounce you!" That will cause a chain reaction of everybody denouncing you and then eventual DoW's. If one of your friends denounces somebody, follow suit to build your already strong relationship with that friend. Plus, never refuse tribute, give back barb captured workers, expand slowly and away from your friends or else they will get ticked off and backstab you. As soon as you have an extra copy of a luxury, trade it to your friend, even if they don't have the full payment, cause you know they will eventually demand it anyways. Keep a decent sized army to ward off DoW's (I try to keep mine above the average strength found in demographics). If your game score gets higher than everybody else, everyone will see you as a threat, so be careful!
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This. Is. Sparta! Er, I mean, great advice!
 
Funny thing in my game. Playing Rome in a Fractal map, Emperor standard. Ended up on a continent with Aztecs and Inca. The others on different continents but triremes could get there. Going Liberty for the free great person aiming for Hagia Sophia and then Porcelain Tower. Decided to go for Haning Gardens first(Hard build), and that was when I saw that NO OTHER WONDER WAS BUILT. Me building HS made me the most wonderful civ in the game. Used Liberty GE for Hagia Sophia and setteled a GE for production. Built Great Libery thereafter to unlock Education. Don`t expect competition for Porcelain Tower.
 
The first game I played with the new patch gave me a similar experience to the OP.

Playing as the Aztecs I started at the bottom of a Pangea map and found France, Egypt, Songhai and Mongolia fanned out above me.

Ghengis attacked first even though he was way way far away. Something like 15 turns after declaring war 2 of his warriors eventually meandered into my territory and I made short work of them.

Then Egypt declared and I ended up taking Thebes which was in a beautiful valley and also a crossroads between all the major civs. The valley was pretty much a constant war zone. Every AI was at war with me and with each other. At one point around thebes were units from like 4 or AI's all at war with each other. It was insane. I've never seen anything like it in CIV, and it lasted until I quit the game at around turn 200

This was on King
 
Keejus said:
On my continent, America openly backstabbed me ("Your wanton aggression leaves us no choice!"), but I got my good buddy Rome into it and he's pretty much trouncing Georgie for me. We'll have to see if he'll use his position to backstab me in spite of our friendship, but so far, I like the AI
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Washington did the same to me.

Though the only aggression that I was doing was against Barbies.

So he come at me with his much larger army but I am on the piece of ground that has a huge inland sea to my east and the Ocean to the west. only two ways in from the North and South and they are narrow.

My Trireme that I had to buy has destroyed something like 6 units so far.

I totally destroy his first army only losing a single warrior unit.

Right now I am in the process of destroying his 2nd though he has Longswords and I still have Pikemen and Archers. So I had to pull back some until I can get some more units built.

Though he is almost getting down to just asking for Peace Treaty for a Peace Treaty instead of trying to take everything from me.
 
On my previous playthrough,on King, last night, my second on the patch, I befriended EVERYONE, even Elisabeth who attacked me once. I nervously watched Russia's and Persia's hordes of pikemen and trebuchets passing through my area for no apparent reason other than to make me nervous.

Meanwhile, India is hogging the wonders with almost no army and only two cities. Naturally, I plough through it and kicked it out of the game.

Russia and Persia then declared war on me at the same time.

Then what is like 50+ pikemen flooding my kingdoms. My camel archers and longswordmen are having fun swatting them. Then another 50+ came. My army fell one by one heroically.

Then their 50+ cannons came. I gave up and started a new game.

With this behaviour, let's petition to reduce their difficulty level advantages. Their ability to make 10 cities on king before 1500 AD is just ridiculous.
 
Zenstrive said:
With this behaviour, let's petition to reduce their difficulty level advantages. Their ability to make 10 cities on king before 1500 AD is just ridiculous.
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I have seen civs building their second city around turn 15 on King difficulty and on Epic speed. I'm OK with small AI advantages, but this kind of cheating is a bit too blatant for me (and no, there was no El Dorado on the continent). When things like this happen I feel justified to reload an autosave, place my warrior near the location where the city will be and steal the settler. I know it's a cheap move, but when they cheat so openly I lose all shame.
It would also be nice to finally fix AI city placement and make them play by the same rules as a human. They build as many cities as they can, use locations that maximize the number of possible cities instead most resource coverage per city.
Even with the latest patch I see AI cities without any resources in their radius.
 
Two or three cities more than what human players can do is probably okay, but when they already got 10 while I tried as hard as I could and can only get 5, I simply can not help but ask: have they got any barbarians attacking their cities, aside from the obvious cheats?
 
just deny friendships and isolate yourself. bribe others to go to war, especially those who are friends. then all the ai will ask you for friendship but keep denying all friendship pacts.. you will still get a lot of friendly benefits even without declaring friendship to the world. also whoever you are friends with does something other ai's dont like, you will be declared/denouced. if you need to go to war make sure all the ai's are busy with each other or at least make sure they hate the civ u want to conquer. you can make others hate other ai by bribing like i mentioned.
 
I'll tell you what's whacko. I was fighitng alex and I didnt have any siege so I wasn't going to bother with his cities. Instead I wiped out his army in the field then I pillaged every improvement.... his cities were still growing... he still had pos gPT(with no traderoutes).. how? Some of these things are stupid.
 
just deny friendship pacts and keep bribing others to go to war, also make sure you have a standing army to defend so they wont be tempted to go to war. this works 99.99% of all my games even postpatch and with the new patch. there is of course those who will declare no matter what.
 
Becephalus said:
People have said it above. ARMY SIZE!
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Sometimes, but now always.
As I mentioned, I have the largest army in the world, and every single civ on my continent -including the "friendly" ones- has attacked my at some point.
I see no method to this madness.
 
GoodSarmatian said:
Sometimes, but now always.
As I mentioned, I have the largest army in the world, and every single civ on my continent -including the "friendly" ones- has attacked my at some point.
I see no method to this madness.
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Are you doing things that upset them? I think the AI is pretty easy to manipulate, and I have never even bothered to go read the threads that spell out the modifiers.

Make fair trades
Create a friendship bloc
Honor calls to arms
Maintain and army
Don't take their land
Don't steamroll CSs
 
GoodSarmatian said:
Sometimes, but now always.
As I mentioned, I have the largest army in the world, and every single civ on my continent -including the "friendly" ones- has attacked my at some point.
I see no method to this madness.
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Too far the other way. If you checked the Demographics screen, and you saw that one player was miles ahead of everyone, wouldn't you gang up on him? And likewise, wouldn't you prey on whoever was at the bottom?

I doubt the AI knows anything more about your armies than you know from the demographics screen and the military advisor about his
 
Gamewizard said:
Did you have a high score? Small army? Expand too fast? Chain denounced? Refuse requests? Completely wipe out a civ leaving not one city for them?
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Exactly. Why is everyone complaining about the AI trying to win?? Isn't that the point??

If you were playing multiplayer, wouldn't you try to gang up on the leader? That's what the AI's trying to do (IMO).
 
GoodSarmatian said:
Sometimes, but now always.
As I mentioned, I have the largest army in the world, and every single civ on my continent -including the "friendly" ones- has attacked my at some point.
I see no method to this madness.
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Civ 5 can only be failed; it cannot possibly fail.

If someone reports something bizarre there are apparently a lot of folks here ready to put them down and make up some reason for why it's their fault.

I find this absolutely bizarre - rather than asking questions about the situation to clarify, just assuming that the original poster is incompetent.
 
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