GoodSarmatian
Jokerfied Western Male
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Make fair trades
Create a friendship bloc
Honor calls to arms
Maintain and army
Don't take their land
Don't steamroll CSs
I know how diplomacy in ciV is supposed to work.
Too far the other way. If you checked the Demographics screen, and you saw that one player was miles ahead of everyone, wouldn't you gang up on him? And likewise, wouldn't you prey on whoever was at the bottom?
They don't gang up. They all seperately declare war over the course of 200 turns.
Here's a short account of the game so far.
I start as Aztecs and first build a couple of Jaguars to go barb farming, alternating between Honor and Tradition for policies.
Pretty early I get attacked by the Americans who are actually pretty far away. They don't build another city, they directly come after me. Before I have build my second city I take Washington with a couple of Jags and a General. Meanwhile I build the GL for Civil Service...
Also on the continent: Siam, Greece, the Mongols and France. Mongolia is guarded and all others are friendly. I have declarations of friendship with Siam, Greece and France and trade with all civs. Around the time I have iron the Mongols attack. Everyone else is still "friendly", I maintain a fairly large army, expand slowly, am friends with some CS and only allied with one.
I have quite a few wonders, but no other civ seems to mind. There's no "you build wonders they covet" anywhere. I have done some things that could upset the AI: I have eliminated two civs and taken their capitals. Howver I did both of these things in self-defense. I have not started a single war and no one calls me a warmonger. Among the remainig three civs there's not a single one that indicates a negative modifier, They don't even "covet my lands".
Out of the blue Greece attacks me. I slaughter their armies for the sun and march towards their border and they offer me a peace deal with all their gold and luxuries. I don't conquer any of their cities because France lies between us. Can you guess what happens next ? France (Friendly, long-tem ally, also fought against the Mongols...) attacks me and I take all their cities. They only have two, but Paris has the Great Wall which will come in handy, since everyone on this continent seems to have lost their mind
I have now annihilated three civs. Still I have not started a single war.
Really, annihilating everyone who attacks you should not make others more likely to attack you. I don't want to hear any rationalisations "Oh, but you took three capitals and killed three civs". That should be justified. It should not be held against me if take bloody revenge on warmongers and backstabbers. I did not start these wars, and if I hadn't wiped them out they would occasionally attack me and be a general nuisance for the next 2000 years.
The lesson learned should be "Don't attack him. He prefers peace, but he can crush you like a bug." It should serve as a warning.
Anyhow, the only one who hasn't attacked me yet is Rhamkhamhaeng.
Then this happens:
Spoiler :
This picture neatly sums up diplomacy in Civ 5. Civ 4 had it's problems, but there were only certain leaders who would attack you when "pleased" and the only one who ever attacked me while being "friendly" is Ragnar. I don't mind being backstabbed occasionally by enemies who stand a chance, but this is just tedious and frustrating.
Anyway, I am now in eternal war with Greece and Siam. I keep all fighting on my territory, decline all peace offers and enjoy my Great Wall, Himeji Castle, Sacrificial Captives and my maxed out Honor tree.