All Nine Revealed?

[Leugi]

I honestly believe the Shawnee have more chances than the Sioux, if we consider the sum of our theories (Color Theory - They using the obvious choice for Venice, and thus Venice using purple ; Strange Tomahawk Unit, which looks like a lot of tribes, but specially Shawnee ; the fact that they are likely adding a Native American, the fact that they wanted to go Pueblo before Sioux so aren't so interested in seeing the Sioux back)

I am annoyed at these. There are too many European Civs already. Italy is already well served, why the hell add more?

Because the game is Eurocentric...

 

[Imalich]

The only reason why Venice wouldnt be in is that Firaxis have been deliverately trolling us all these weeks - otherwise, they are confirmed.

As for the remaining civ, North American one is highly likely as all other regiona (Europe, Africa, Asia, Pacific and South America) are represented. Sioux seem most likely as a returning civ.

There's also no civilization from the Far East, mind you. The "asian" civs are Assyria and Indonesia, so I'd say theres a huge gap in-between (of course, most of that regions major contenders are already out because of CS's, methinks). I expect the possible NA native won't be a returning civ, but a completely new one, since they are much more open-minded in that regard in this game than in the rest of the series (that's why I'm betting/wishing Shawnee).

And please, let's not turn this in ANOTHER "Venice love or hate" thread. There's already a ton of topics in this direction, if people want to rage.
(EDIT: That wasn't directed at you, Martinus, sorry for the ambiguity)

 

[Bakspatel]

Because the game is Eurocentric...

Perhaps because the tiny continent has offered a lot of diversity and therefore possible interesting game play and the massive influence that the nations of that continent have had on the rest of the world?

 

[Louis XXIV]

There's also no civilization from the Far East, mind you.

If you're distinguishing East Asia from Southeast Asia, who do you have left? We already have China, Mongolia, Japan, and Korea. I don't think Firaxis distinguishes East and Southeast Asia, though, which is why Indonesia is the East Asian Civ (as opposed to Middle Eastern Civ).

 

[SnowKomodo]

If you're distinguishing East Asia from Southeast Asia, who do you have left? We already have China, Mongolia, Japan, and Korea. I don't think Firaxis distinguishes East and Southeast Asia, though, which is why Indonesia is the East Asian Civ (as opposed to Middle Eastern Civ).

Agreed.

They had South Asian options (e.g. Nepal) and Southeast Asian options (e.g. Vietnam), but it would have been harder to make a true East Asian civ

There are some good Silk Road Asian civs and Middle East 'Asian' civs as well

Southeast Asia is so different than East Asia but you can see they used East Asian buildings and graphics anyway for civs like Siam - same ones they used for China, etc

 

[Imalich]

If you're distinguishing East Asia from Southeast Asia, who do you have left? We already have China, Mongolia, Japan, and Korea. I don't think Firaxis distinguishes East and Southeast Asia, though, which is why Indonesia is the East Asian Civ (as opposed to Middle Eastern Civ).

Well, what I actually meant was the gap between Mesopotamian civs and southeast asian. Possibilities like Tibet, Nepal, Khmer, Kushan and silk road civilizations. I see Indonesia as more of an Oceania/southeastern Asia representative than anything else.

But I'm not advocating any of these in special, I'm just saying it's another area that I don't feel was toroughly represented in BNW, like NA (it feels to me that saying Indonesia and Assyria represented the whole Asian continent is like saying Brazil represented the whole American continent)

 

[EulerMcE]

I am annoyed at these. There are too many European Civs already. Italy is already well served, why the hell add more?

Because they act as a selling point. The larger market finds more appeal in civs they are familiar with. Look at reddit's civ subreddit and you find a bunch of people complaining about the lack of Canada.

 

[Leugi]

Perhaps because the tiny continent has offered a lot of diversity and therefore possible interesting game play and the massive influence that the nations of that continent have had on the rest of the world?

Partially so... It's more than the history of many of the nations on the rest of the world was lost, we know that many cultures existed in America, but we don't know what they did, because either oral tradition was lost, or the few records were destroyed with the colony... And the history we know does focus on showing Europe as the center of the World, hence we here in America "were discovered", rather than we both met up... And that the other continents were hugely diverse, but were drawn as stereotypes throught history quite a lot...

Look, I'm not saying that there should be no Europe or Italy or whatever... But the game IS Eurocentric, it's very nitpicky about differentiating civs that were not so different in Europe, but merging together others like Polynesia or India... (Another nitpick, there are 2 city-styles for Europe: European and Mediterranian, but one for all Asian, one for all American, and one for both Africa and Middle East...)

Thing is... It is understandable , that's how we've been learning history for too long ... And I enjoy the game like that, and in fact... Civ 5 is by far the less eurocentric of all Civ Games so I'm extremely happy with that already hehe...

Anyway, I actually became a fan of Enrico Dandolo, so I don't care that much

 

[SnowKomodo]

Well, what I actually meant was the gap between Mesopotamian civs and southeast asian. Possibilities like Tibet, Nepal, Khmer, Kushan and silk road civilizations. I see Indonesia as more of an Oceania/southeastern Asia representative than anything else.

I was actually quite surprised that we didn't get a Silk Road civ or a civ like Nepal that could have utilized mountains to a more meaningful degree than Carthage

 

[Louis XXIV]

I think Nepal is a cop-out for Tibet, personally, and I strongly doubt we'll see Tibet any time soon.

 

[Imalich]

I was actually quite surprised that we didn't get a Silk Road civ or a civ like Nepal that could have utilized mountains to a more meaningful degree than Carthage

We also have the Inca, more or less, as mountain using civs (indirectly at least). But yeah, I'm also waiting for these for some time.
At this point I've already resigned myself, but I've been waiting for a mountain using civ like that since GnK (and the silk road civilizations seemed like obvious proponents when they announced the trade route thematic of BNW)

 

[Zion_Withrow]

All I can say is you guys are about to all get trolled.

I hope so. I am not a fan of Venice! I wouldn't mind seeing the Sioux or any tribe in the western half of the North American continent, like the Apache or the Inuit. I know people say there is the Alphabetical Achievement list, but I don't think that that is as big a factor as every one says. They included Monaco, which made use of the useless desert tiles, why not include the Inuit and make use of the useless snow tiles.

I hope that they would surprise every one and give us Israel!

 

[Option]

Well, what I actually meant was the gap between Mesopotamian civs and southeast asian. Possibilities like [...] Khmer [...] I see Indonesia as more of an Oceania/southeastern Asia representative than anything else.

The Khmer are about as southeast Asian as you can get.

 

[Fummy]

Anyone care to explain why they think Venice is so likely to be in the game?
The "pro-civ" we heard of in the german article is likely to be in reference to Indonesia and its "hard to master" abilitys. If I recall correctly they did make a mention of a "european at heart" civ. But I don't think that description fits Venice, as its fully european. Maybe they mean some civ on the border of europe and asia.

I don't even know if Venice could be a civ, because it only has like 1 city, and im pretty sure you need more land than they had to be a civ in this game.
Are people just guessing Venice because they can't think of any other historically relevant civilisations in europe?

 

[Bakspatel]

Anyone care to explain why they think Venice is so likely to be in the game?
The "pro-civ" we heard of in the german article is likely to be in reference to Indonesia and its "hard to master" abilitys. If I recall correctly they did make a mention of a "european at heart" civ. But I don't think that description fits Venice, as its fully european. Maybe they mean some civ on the border of europe and asia.

I don't even know if Venice could be a civ, because it only has like 1 city, and im pretty sure you need more land than they had to be a civ in this game.
Are people just guessing Venice because they can't think of any other historically relevant civilisations in europe?

Just look around some topics, you'll find plenty of arguments about why Venice is the next possible civ. And it'll also straighten your opinion about Venice 'having little land' up.

 

[awesome]

Venice did have an empire, actually, which has been covered more times than I really care to search for. Just know that they had more than one city.

As for the rest of the thread and the definition of the word "revealed," I don't know of I can count Venice as being revealed, they definitely haven't revealed the Sioux. At all. They never even hinted at the Sioux.
As for Venice, I don't know if I would call them revealed. Maybe they've been revealed but not confirmed, since there have been so many hints, including the lion in that video someone mentioned.

 

[Cyanfunk]

Anyone care to explain why they think Venice is so likely to be in the game?
The "pro-civ" we heard of in the german article is likely to be in reference to Indonesia and its "hard to master" abilitys. If I recall correctly they did make a mention of a "european at heart" civ. But I don't think that description fits Venice, as its fully european. Maybe they mean some civ on the border of europe and asia.

I don't even know if Venice could be a civ, because it only has like 1 city, and im pretty sure you need more land than they had to be a civ in this game.
Are people just guessing Venice because they can't think of any other historically relevant civilisations in europe?

It's been gone over so many times.

* The MYSTERIOUS purple-and-beige Civ has colors that are literally an exact match for the colors of a flag of Venice (the colors also show up in the more complex flag with the spheres and the lion, so it's unlikely to be mere coincidence.)
* The guy from PC gamer used "Most Serene" in context of an unrevealed Civ, and the Republic of Venice used "Most Serene" as an appellation
* Venice was not once city, it was actually a mercantile empire that essentially owned the eastern Mediterranean
* The Venice CS has been replaced as far as we know
* It fits in between "Portugal" and "Zulu"
* A trade Civ with a cultural bent would fit neatly into BNW

 

[Dragonflow]

I don't even know if Venice could be a civ, because it only has like 1 city, and im pretty sure you need more land than they had to be a civ in this game.

Is it really that hard to type in "Venetian Empire" into google image search these days?
This point was probably brought up about a thousand times by now and I guess it's time to link that map from wikipedia again.
Having one city never stopped the Huns either.

Spoiler :

 

[Leugi]

Anyone care to explain why they think Venice is so likely to be in the game?
The "pro-civ" we heard of in the german article is likely to be in reference to Indonesia and its "hard to master" abilitys. If I recall correctly they did make a mention of a "european at heart" civ. But I don't think that description fits Venice, as its fully european. Maybe they mean some civ on the border of europe and asia.

I don't even know if Venice could be a civ, because it only has like 1 city, and im pretty sure you need more land than they had to be a civ in this game.
Are people just guessing Venice because they can't think of any other historically relevant civilisations in europe?

• First, the "European at heart" isn't that. The actual hint was "We do have an European Civ yet to show", the whole whether is European influenced at heart was mostly a joke before saying that. So Venice is European and therefore it fits.
• It seems that Venice was likely replaced by Riga.
• The colors of the mysterious civ shown on a screenshot fit perfectly and numerically with those of the current Venetian flag (albeit with 2 obscure colors of said flag)
• A reviewer talking of "the most serene" details of a new civ to be announced. Venice was one of the few Most Serene countries.
• Great Works and Trade new Mechanics.
• Its achievement would fit between Portugal and Zulu's achievements which have alphabetical gaps.

 

[Talcove]

Seeing how everyone here is so certain that it will be Venice, I really want it to NOT be Venice. I just want for the BNW team to, on the Civ 5 facebook page, say, "It's not Venice." Man, wouldn't that be fun...

But anyway, can someone explain to me this whole thing with the Pueblo? Why can't it be them?