All Quiet on the Civ Front

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I deliberately left the Maya out, because they’re one of the ones I really want, along with Babylon, Carthage, Byzantium and the Celts (Gaul).

I figure the more I like a given civ, the less likely we are to get it this time.

Just my (extremely bad) luck.

So I see you are taking a Game of Thrones approach, as in don't get too attached.

 

[Benzombie]

Personally, I wouldn't mind anything previously mentioned being put in to the game in expansions, as long as Abraham Lincoln is included as well, I will be satisfied.

 

[Zaarin]

Earlier we were discussing young Maria Theresa, and lo and behold she appears on the "On This Date" from Wikipidia. Didn't we have a Wikipedia conspiracy theory earlier?

as long as Abraham Lincoln is included as well

1) America doesn't need an alternate leader. 2) If it must get one, it should be an early president to contrast with Teddy. 3) We don't need another big government president; Teddy already fills that role.

 

[ferretbacon]

1) America doesn't need an alternate leader. 2) If it must get one, it should be an early president to contrast with Teddy. 3) We don't need another big government president; Teddy already fills that role.

I think the time is ripe to introduce Jefferson. He's the only Rushmore president to not feature.

 

[Zaarin]

I think the time is ripe to introduce Jefferson. He's the only Rushmore president to not feature.

I'd prefer Adams (John, not Quincy, though I wouldn't object to Quincy), but Jefferson wouldn't be a horrible choice.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think the time is ripe to introduce Jefferson. He's the only Rushmore president to not feature.

Yes. And he fits the Manifest Destiny UA from Civ V or something similar better than Washington did.

 

[JFD]

Earlier we were discussing young Maria Theresa, and lo and behold she appears on the "On This Date" from Wikipidia. Didn't we have a Wikipedia conspiracy theory earlier?


1) America doesn't need an alternate leader. 2) If it must get one, it should be an early president to contrast with Teddy. 3) We don't need another big government president; Teddy already fills that role.

Clearly the answer then is Emperor Norton

 

[Zaarin]

Clearly the answer then is Emperor Norton

We'll have to wait for the People's Republic of California to declare its independence and demand inclusion in Civ.

 

[Ogro]

Read some posts and decided to leave my two cents.
I think it is very hypocritical to say some historical facts are not to be represented in the game in whatever manner for whatever reason considering the core of the game is war, with the goal of imposing your points of view (religious, cultural, economics) or simply subjugation by force.
But I don't think the problem is in Fireaxis or "good" video game practices, the "problem", as always have been and always will be, is in the people.
Considering the values in our current times, for the majority of people on this space rock, we see where the hipocrisia comes from. Being "better" than other people. Being competitive, so to win over others. Ensure your well being first and without regard for others or the planet. Have the "power" to say and do without being bothered by what other people think. To name a few.
That is why a few might say the whole game is awful or brilliant and most debates some aspects of it that doesn't appeal to their ego while ignoring some other aspects.

Personally, I believe in artistic freedom. Of course that means some games will not "appeal" to me, to say it lightly, but isn't it the foundation of free market? Supply and demand as the final judges to what thrives and what gets forgotten?

Anyone remember civ 3 domination victory screen? Embalmed severed heads and beaten defeated leader heads?

 

[Jkchart]

1) America doesn't need an alternate leader. 2) If it must get one, it should be an early president to contrast with Teddy. 3) We don't need another big government president; Teddy already fills that role.

I think that, given how the current alternate leader system works (I.e. different capital cities), Washington (maybe Adams? Idk) is the only American leader to truly have had the nation’s capital be in a different city (Philadelphia).

 

[Leyrann]

Personally, I wouldn't mind anything previously mentioned being put in to the game in expansions, as long as Abraham Lincoln is included as well, I will be satisfied.

And why should the USA get a second leader before Egypt, France, England, Spain, China, Rome, etc etc etc?

 

[IdiotStyle]

I wouldn't mind a second leader for america, america has a long history of important president, and i'll take as much alt leaders as i can get. As much new civs too

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think that, given how the current alternate leader system works (I.e. different capital cities), Washington (maybe Adams? Idk) is the only American leader to truly have had the nation’s capital be in a different city (Philadelphia).

Adams would work too for Philadelphia as he was only in Washington for about a year.

 

[Leyrann]

I wouldn't mind a second leader for america, america has a long history of important president, and i'll take as much alt leaders as i can get. As much new civs too

Not exactly a long history compared to the thousands of years of China, Rome, Egypt etc.

I mean of course I don't mind any new leaders or civs, but there are definitely leaders I would be more excited for than others.

 

[Sherlock]

My birthday is in March and I expect an Expansion Pack for my present...

Me too. St. Patrick's day.

Personally, I wouldn't mind anything previously mentioned being put in to the game in expansions, as long as Abraham Lincoln is included as well, I will be satisfied.

I'd rather have Jefferson Davis and the Confederacy.

 

[Vandlys]

I deliberately left the Maya out, because they’re one of the ones I really want, along with Babylon, Carthage, Byzantium and the Celts (Gaul).

I figure the more I like a given civ, the less likely we are to get it this time.

Just my (extremely bad) luck.

I'm happy to reveal to you that the universe doesn't revolve around you, and your luck is no factor in the decision for Firaxis to pick Civs

 

[Siptah]

Jefferson himself would probably be happy with Monticello as capital ;-)

 

[Disgustipated]

Anyone remember civ 3 domination victory screen? Embalmed severed heads and beaten defeated leader heads

I remember the beaten up heads in that game. Though I don't remember the severed heads. Again I have the urge to install that game and play it. Though it can be annoying at times. You touched on some interesting issues. No civ game can be truly politically correct. As you said it involves your culture dominating other cultures through either war, religion, culture, or science. It does reinforce ideology of subjugation inferior cultures which could be construed as racist. But think of it this way, what game is politically correct? Certainly not some shooter where you go around murdering people. Again you are subjugation people to your will. Same with rpg's. Who is to say your will is the correct one? The game Tyranny touches on that a little. You can steer the world in your favor, but is your way any better than Kyros? It's a mistake to make games too politically correct. But the game shouldn't go out of it's way to be hateful either. I'm okay playing games that tap into my base aggression instincts. I know I can't act that way in real life. We can't deny our animal instincts and the instincts that man (and woman) have to control the world they are in.

I'd rather have Jefferson Davis and the Confederacy

Good luck with that. The game is becoming more politically correct each sequel. I don't even think we'll ever see another American civil war scenario. I enjoyed the civ2 one, especially the music. Civ 5 one was alright.

I missed the discussion about the S word above as I was on vacation. I'm okay with that not being directly represented in the game. A cool mechanic might be if you face increasing diplomatic penalties and unhappiness if you are running triangular trade after a certain point in the game (perhaps after 1\2 the civilizations research ideology civic). I'd increase the gold to +6 per trade route. Sometimes I run this policy up until ecommerce which seems a bit silly. There should be more penalties to this policy.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I'm happy to reveal to you that the universe doesn't revolve around you, and your luck is no factor in the decision for Firaxis to pick Civs

I’m well-aware of the former. As for the latter, 2K probably dictates a lot of those decisions to Firaxis. It might just be that their marketing department has some less-than-favorable proclivities...

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

To get away from all this... serious stuff, I have found an interesting nugget hidden away.

Firaxis has started posting random videos of "How ot earn culture" and other stuff on youTube/Twitter, and one fo the videos seem to pertain to the idea of "settling on the first turn". Yeah, irrelevant, but something caught my eye.

Spoiler :

Alt link : https://imgur.com/a/vUbdpLT

The UI for the City and Unit Icons seem MUCH different than the current version in the game, which looks like this

Spoiler :

Alt link : https://imgur.com/a/VP2TZUH

See the difference?

Sneaky Firaxis, so I guess they're once again updating the UI design at some point.