All Quiet on the Civ Front

[blackcatatonic]

Civ 6 is too PC for a bold move like that....

Perhaps it will come out on consoles at the same time

 

[Leyrann]

Perhaps it will come out on consoles at the same time

Just to be sure, PC = politically correct here. (that or I'm stupid)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Perhaps it will come out on consoles at the same time

It's already very mobile.

 

[Zaarin]

Civ 6 is too PC for a bold move like that....

Yeah, in a game where dogs and horses can't die, I have a hard time imagining slavery, narcotics, and ethnic cleansings. TBH I don't want Civ to go grimdark, but finding a balance would be nice...

Just to be sure, PC = politically correct here. (that or I'm stupid)

Yes, that's the punchline of @blackcatatonic 's joke.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Yeah, in a game where dogs and horses can't die, I have a hard time imagining slavery, narcotics, and ethnic cleansings. TBH I don't want Civ to go grimdark, but finding a balance would be nice...

A little darkness wouldn't hurt, indeed. Civ VI is... Too bright, and I just cannot take war serious when it's declared by Pedro II with his giant red nose and then spearmen comically stab and swing the bodies of the killed enemy. This all packed with Brazilian jolly theme, and shiny Golden Age colours

 

[Karmah]

A little darkness wouldn't hurt, indeed. Civ VI is... Too bright, and I just cannot take war serious when it's declared by Pedro II with his giant red nose and then spearmen comically stab and swing the bodies of the killed enemy. This all packed with Brazilian jolly theme, and shiny Golden Age colours

I kinda like that it speaks of a playfull and romanticized version of History

 

[Guandao]

NB that all Eurasian steppe cultures were multiethnic.


Well, again, that's still debated. Hunnic probably wasn't Iranian, but Germanic, Turkic, and I believe even Slavic have all been suggested and none of them proven. Specifically Attila has been proposed to be Germanic, "little father," which seems plausible but is awfully slim evidence--Turkic etymologies have been proposed as well.


When I said "further east," I meant further east than the western Eurasian steppe, but again that has by no means been demonstrated. (And yes, there were Germanic peoples on the hodgepodge highway that was the Eurasian steppe.)


Beats me, but if I were designing the game I'd leave out a lot of popular civs, so I may not be the best person to ask. "In Civ7, to make up for Civ6's overabundance of Greece, we now have absolutely zero Greeks!"

I'm sure the Romans would've noticed if the Huns spoke a Germanic language. They would've lumped them with the Goths. Facial reconstructions of apparent Hunnic skeletons suggest they had non-White/European ancestry. Here's Jordanes' description of Attila the Hun, Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin. Gerard Butler was a poor choice to play him in a miniseries.

There are a few leaders that have just become Civ fixtures for some reason:

Alexander the Most-Punchable
Gandhi the Nuke-happy
Shaka the Doom-stacker
Genghis the Comeback Khan

Don't forget the Aztecs are always led by one of the Montezumas! Funny how male leaders are more of a fixture than female leaders.....

According to their Wikipedia page at least, the Trung sisters did rule as queens for over 3 years (definitely not an insignificant amount of time to be maintaining independence from one of the world's superpowers).
I'd expect her to be presented as older too but I wouldn't mind being surprised by a younger Maria Theresa.
My suspicion is that its probably to include a dark horse civ! They also probably wanted some variety with horse raider civs. I just wish that they changed Scythia's city list a bit. According to this topic and this online page Roxanaki would've made more sense as the capital for the Scythians. I wouldn't mind seeing a Parthian civ either though.

1. I still think a double leader Civ is unlikely. We hardly know much about their rule, and I think a Trung-led Vietnam would be similar in gameplay to Civ6's Mapuche.
2. Older Maria Theresa has been done in Civ5. At least make her look different in some way if she returns to Civ6.
3. So ancient Horse Archer steppe peoples are "dark horses"?

On October 31st, 2K announces the coming release of a second expansion for the world-acclaimed videogame Civilization 6. Under the name Evil Empires, this new release promises new challenges and deep moral choices for your leader that will shape the future of your civilization and decide the fate of humanity.

Will you induce in drug trafficking or launch an international vaccination campaign? Will you close your eyes on money laundering or actively promote trade regulations? Will you sell arms or food? Will you support terrorism or actively fund a peacekeeping force? Will you grant your people freedom or tightly control expression? Will you speak for minorities across the globe or wallow in ethnic cleansing?

New leaders: Nero, Vlad the impaler, Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler...

Civ6: Evil Empires
Where will your railroads lead to?

I noticed you didn't mention Mao......

A little darkness wouldn't hurt, indeed. Civ VI is... Too bright, and I just cannot take war serious when it's declared by Pedro II with his giant red nose and then spearmen comically stab and swing the bodies of the killed enemy. This all packed with Brazilian jolly theme, and shiny Golden Age colours

So you want Firaxis to make genocide and slavery fun?

 

[Kimiimaro]

So you want Firaxis to make genocide and slavery fun?

I don't necessarily mean genocide or slavery. Just don't make the game as bright and jolly as it is now. War just doesn't seem to be a sad terror in Civ VI.
Bring back sad music played during war (Field of Poppies!).
Bring back war themes.

 

[Guandao]

I don't necessarily mean genocide or slavery. Just don't make the game as bright and jolly as it is now. War just doesn't seem to be a sad terror in Civ VI.
Bring back sad music played during war (Field of Poppies!).
Bring back war themes.

You want the game's colors to be dull and dark?

 

[Kimiimaro]

You want the game's colors to be dull and dark?

I prefer to say "more like the colours/graphics of Civ V"

 

[Guandao]

I prefer to say "more like the colours/graphics of Civ V"

The graphics of Civ5 are less advanced and detailed than Civ6's.

 

[row2infinity]

Slavery was in Civ4 by the way.

Adolf Hitler will never be a leader in any Civ game because the game would be banned in Germany. A huge market loss. ✌

 

[blackcatatonic]

Just to be sure, PC = politically correct here. (that or I'm stupid)

I know, I was trying to make a funny

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Slavery was in Civ4 by the way.

"Triangular Trade"

 

[Guandao]

"Triangular Trade"

I forgot about that policy.... Why does it give faith in addition to the gold?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Don't forget the Aztecs are always led by one of the Montezumas! Funny how male leaders are more of a fixture than female leaders.....

We still might get Elizabeth back.

I forgot about that policy.... Why does it give faith in addition to the gold?

Slaves bringing their religion with them to their new home, is what I've understood it to represent.

 

[Zaarin]

I'm sure the Romans would've noticed if the Huns spoke a Germanic language.

Yes, the Romans were notorious for their keen linguistic ears. I think the chief observation the Romans made about the Huns is that they were hordes of demons straight from Hell, which is very unhelpful in analyzing their language or ethnic identity. Unless we take it literally, in which case their ethnicity and language were infernal.

Facial reconstructions of apparent Hunnic skeletons suggest they had non-White/European ancestry.

Again, all Eurasian steppe hordes were multiethnic; what they looked like is unhelpful in determining what they spoke.

Funny how male leaders are more of a fixture than female leaders...

Lizzy was a fixture until Civ6 erroneously chose the wrong leader. I think Isabella has been a fixture until now, too.

I prefer to say "more like the colours/graphics of Civ V"

Civ5 was ugly other than the leader screens.

Slaves bringing their religion with them to their new home, is what I've understood it to represent.

I assumed it had to do with missionaries who often accompanied the traders.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I firmly believe that social engineering, ethnic cleansings, slavery, assimilation/integration and human sacrifice should be part of Civ, as they were historically. Assyria for instance rose to power, largely in thanks due to rounding up conquered ethnic minorities and "redistributing" them, as you could say, around their empire to speed up integration and pre-emptively quell uprisings. Human sacrifice played a major part in Aztec, Mayan and even Incan society. The list goes on.

Not to say that these concepts should be added blindly and without nuance. They should provide a situationally useful benefit (accelerated production for slavery, faith burst for sacrifices, lowered war weariness for social engineering/cleansings) but at a severe cost (massive diplomatic penalities for cleansings, unhappy citizens for sacrifices, lowered production, etc) especially in the end-game, similar to (but more extreme than) the Dark Age Policy Cards currently in the game.

Dunno, maybe that's the teacher in me. These unfortunate parts of history *are* our history, whether we like it or not, and I believe the best approach to facing unpleasant truths is to tackle them head-on, rather than sanitize them out.

 

[Zaarin]

Dunno, maybe that's the teacher in me. These unfortunate parts of history *are* our history, whether we like it or not, and I believe the best approach to facing unpleasant truths is to tackle them head-on, rather than sanitize them out.

100% this.

 

[Leathaface]

So no depot updates lately it looks like, I hope there is still something for the 2nd anniversary.