All Things Star Wars

[r16]

ı actually dug up few pdf files ; it's kinda exasperating to see the issue skirted quite deliberately . Lucas obviously intented Tatooine to be the West , the place all those Young Americans went with high expectations and hence suffered to an ever harsher degree . It seems white man's tenure on the planet was just about 65 years old when Luke saw his first space battle . Miners who failed to score big , sold their rig and started to dig ; wonder if this makes Jawas Chinese immigrants . Krayt Dragons certainly look like a Komodo one , though . But then any man arriving in the West would see all those Spanish monastries and the like ; hence Jabba's place used to belong to an ancient order . The planet gets to reported as one of the oldest in the galaxy and all those Expanded Universe authors kept the page count low by keeping the action in places the readers already knew . Probable that it has reason for some sort of magick that drew Obi Wan after order 66 and not on a feeling that Anakin would never return there . The Darth Vader comics certainly take him back , where he whiles away the time by massacring another tribe of Tusken Raiders .

Because Tatooine is far beyond the reach of the Galactic Republic and the Trade Federation ... Hutts control Tatooine's economy and most businesses there won't accept republic credits... neither the Galactic Republic nor the Trade Federation has any jurisdiction over Tatooine

yet

The wealthiest citizens openly disregard the Republic's laws by owning slaves, an illegal practice. ...Rianatus Period (9000 to 8000 BBY), a Hutt even served as the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic for a 275 year period.
　
then all the combat that took place within this oft qouted Hutt space . Ryloth ,the source of Twileks , the sex objects of the galaxy over which the Hutts would like to maintain a monopoly though Jabba's interest in that dancer in Episode VI was probably really about her food value and an invasion like totally kills them all until decisive action by the Clone Army . When some blockade must be broken by using Toydaria as a base , Jar Jar gets the duty to talk with the King of Toydaria , not some Hutt . Yoda even gets to meet the same in talks about Toydaria joining the fight , right ? Wikipedia and even Wookipeida have no mention of the Hutt Empire becoming the Hutt Space , the maps of which include all these planets mentioned , never minding Geonosis , occupied twice . The only Republic ve Hutt combat seems to have taken place in some Sith war , where the Tionese strike Hutt shipyards . These are old enemies , Tionese angling for an empire and roundly thrashed by the Hutts . We read of homing beacons placed for safe interstellar travel , by the Republic , and we read the Hutts regularky sabotaging those in their territory , and yeah how do you say No Passaran in Huttese ?

even with the mighty Empire of Palpatine there was stuff , with borders becoming fixed and marked on the maps

... Hutts remained unchallenged within their core territory, and held sway as the de facto rulers ... even after the rise of the Empire. Officially, Hutt Space was part of the Empire, with Moff of Baxel sector responsible for enforcing Imperial law within it. But both Nal Hutta and Coruscant knew this was a fiction, and the Huttese translation to the treaty pointdly used the term Consul rather than Moff.

then finally the page is discovered by yours idiotly , proving the hunch . Hutts defeat the Tionese and yet almost simultenously hyperspace capable ships arrive from the core ; with more humans , with a promise of endless numbers to arrive for war if it came to that . One map shows the Hutt Empire at 25 100 BBY , the next shows the Hutt Space at 25 000 BBY ... There is this Slave Road , never seen by the authorities of the Republic officials and Hutts "worm" their way into the crimeworld and megacorporations and Blotus the Hutt is revered as one of the greatest Chancellors of the Republic . And of course it can even happen to Hutts themselves ; they have this planet Boz Pity within their sights right on their capital but the sentients living there reject the overtures : The one-eyed giants thwarthed 7 ... attempts at enslavement by eating the invaders and then rejected 4 ... attempts at diplomacy by eating the negotiators Which ends badly , after the Hutts arrange an invasion of droids .

so where does this lead ? Well , Padme Amidala is essentially right in assuming moral authority of Republic over Tatooine , expecting the slavery ended millenia ago . Not just because Nathalie plays the role . Because it's logical on a scale that would have Mr. Spock stand up and take notice that the Hutts are an autonomous part of the Republic , better left to their own devices . Possibly because they have noticed long ago that the Force had so many adherents among those human weaklings and possibly the Hutts maintain a massive fleet of their own so that Peace suits everyone . Am not allowed to watch Episodes -3 to -1 but am quite confident of it .

am currently avoiding anything about Rogue 1 , lest spoilers spoil the fun of a Star Wars movie . Especially after the discovery of this U-Wing , no doubt inspired by the U-Haul stuff in the US . And yes , this thread is convenient as any to say this year's most satisifying conjectural engineering has been solving the riddles of the B-Wing . even if lacks the simple beauty of the X of many years back . Actually gaining an insight why it even gets to be called so when it doesn't even look like a B or b , but rather a P in correct posture , side elevation and stuff wise . And can't say the movie will be good or bad ; would you believe that ı had this dream where ı leave the movie theater in the middle of it and am armed by my umbrella , of the kind that slides out when you press the button !

 

[JohannaK]

It's funny. I can understand every single sentence but I dont think I can understand any two or more of them consecutively.

 

[r16]

it's the r16 magic , not only keeps me alive but even allows me do some good time to time .

no seperate Hutt entity . On paper . There are even Hutt customs agents within the Republic who are such lenient fellows that an infraction that might have grounded you elsewhere is just a pat on the back and "Don't do it again." with an Hutt cop . Can actually locate it from Del Rey's the Essential Atlas .

 

[Sommerswerd]

It's funny. I can understand every single sentence but I dont think I can understand any two or more of them consecutively.

I had exactly the same experience... glad I wasn't the only one

It's almost like a single page being torn out of a hundred different books and then those pages being re-assembled into a new "book"... each page makes sense on its own but then...

 

[Takhisis]

He's playing exquisite corpse with himself. It's the best approximation I've been able to come up with for his gaming style.

 

[r16]

will be turning 50 in a couple of years and seems there is a huge generation gap with the surroundings . So it seems quite possible that the young can insult people with being the "police chief of Eskişehir" as ı overheard people in some unhappy exchange , or the Police of the said city is in some heat to require personal ID right from the top . Don't know what did ı do this time . Yes , an unhappy existance ı have and yet it kinda clicks , right ? Though ı am indeed failing to find a historical precedent from this planet for Hutts joining the Republic and not joining at the same time . Expanded Universe apparently has them joining seperatists Mk. II after the fall of Empire and Vuzzhan Vong or whatever , the Orcs of Tolkienverse .

 

[r16]

ah , the benefit of living in the country ... If not Turkey , then certainly almost rural areas . They had sold just 4 tickets by the time ı got mine at what must be about 2 bucks and 30 cents or something , don't know why it's a discount one but who cares ? Thinking about it , maybe it's an early purchase , hence lower ?

still avoiding spoilers , too .


and of course the accustomed r16 bonus that's of use to no one and everybody lives on irregardless after reading it or not . It's like a totally a fact that KGB and stuff are surprisingly humane ; they have to act as if they ever care for their colleagues in Ankara and not call them idiots to their faces , so apparently they hint people who might end up in odd places , like totally free and something . To give a wide berth to people they are like paid to encounter on the street , because you know , in the Sixties and Seventies Lady Vader was an angry young lady , despite the like totally respected claims of Ankara on all sorts of perversity - carried even to Moscow . To give a wide berth , because people in the old times could reliably end up , face first , 5 or 10 meters down any available bridge or suitably similar heights . So , there she is . Fully aware of recognition hence indifference as opposed to indifference to lack of recognition , she assumes its her hair , which looks like short-cut as she closes in . Brings the pony-tail into play , turns out it's almost down to her waist . Discussing her career here would be rather vulgar , but let's say her thread in some place is 40 pages plus ... The protagonists walk and pass and do not even look back and there's this 0.1% chance that yours idiotly has this one fan or something in some unlikely sector of the movie business ; it must be the first time she has been rejected on anything in this decade . Luckily for me , not much witnesses around , now that they would be running after her to inform that ı couldn't but they could and she wouldn't be able to stand up the next morning after such a demonstration of hospitality ...

 

[AppleDumplingHead]

I think Jyn is Rey's mom.

 

[warpus]

This is cool

Spoiler :

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

IMO Rogue One is a much more capably directed and interesting piece - as a movie, irrespective of the franchise - than TFA was, and for those wanting something that strays from tradition more than VII did, you'll get your wish. As a more emotive piece and as a journey piece, which Gareth Edwards did excellently with his first feature film, Monsters, but fell flat with on Godzilla, it shines, and it is a tighter, less plot-hole ridden script while still delivering Star Wars set pieces and humour. My biggest quibbles, really, are the thematic choices of one character, and the technical choices made of another, but they're fairly small in the scheme of things.

 

[Takhisis]

If you post a single spoiler before I am able to watch the friggin' film I'll summon radioactive monkeys to descend upon you.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

What if I spoil the sequels, 4-6?!

 

[Takhisis]

You'll die as many times as all the Bothan spies combined did.

 

[JohannaK]

Do we see any Bothans in Rogue One?

 

[r16]

well , what follows requires a certain amount of knowledge from the movie posters and the lot . If you are as much as an hardliner as me on avoiding spoilers , don't read . ı will be here like forever .

Spoiler :

snowy in the morning but when ı left the theater there was this awesomely glorious sun , even warming a bit in the bitter cold . Was uplifted anyhow , am a sucker for any SW movie ... Positive , real positive if you haven't guessed by now . First screening again , counted 11 people in the theater , likely 3 couples hence 8 males but no kids , must be because of the schoolday . No 3D glasses on me , the extra weight hurts my nose and (as said last year) you can really follow the action . Dubbed in Turkish , no trouble in reading subtitles and ı think Vader still sounds the same since the 80s ... Hence cool .

the thanks section . Definitely one on the red glow of orbital flight on the hair . Whenever ı was grumbling the action following certainly distracted , to say the least . The art department computers would have run out of pigments with the pink cheeks of the princess anyhow . Was almost expecting one of the guys start cooking stuff but he has done a good thing for all those fans of the Empire out there ... Thanks for the bonus TIE , surprising but really looking the part . The glory of "Stinger" and what followed was superb . A certain modelling forum will certainly love the possible presence of tracks on the tank in the urban battle ... Liked the U-Wing but FSW is still a structural hell , fixed will do . ı will dig the Turtleshuttle more ; once ı get my hands on a cross section , you know 3D issues . The jet wash of the X-Wing in VTO was lovely . And discovering ı still loathe Tarkin maybe 37 years on after reading the Turkish translation of the Marvel comics was a warming moment .

the comparision section . The combat sequences were definitely better than VII , despite the vested interest . All followed a logical design especially the interaction in the last part of the movie ; this despite the thing any stardestroyer captain worth his name would be firing up the tractor beams before that happened . ı know my field manual ... Contrasted starkly to the pixel count of whizzing by in shooting something to blow up the star eating planet killer . What that something is , ı don't know still to this day . And the CAS , fully making sense , even the M-60 gunner on the Huey so unlike the masterly shooting , even sniping of the Rogue Squadron at Maz Kanata's castle . Poe Dameron is rather more convincing in the comics . What ? It's obviously the crew chief on a Blackhawk ... All the field telephone sections will appreciate being taken notice ; theirs is as much combat as anything and it is surely health conciousness of that galaxy that there's not much Wi-Fi in evidence ... That most critical switches are left in the open ? Well , to get inside that "citadel" would invite a most harsh stuff with regards to the Orthanc , right ?

avoidance of spoilers include avoidance of movie posters . The presence of "Ip Man" was unexpected here . Great if you ask me , hoping the follow-on releases will not be too restrictive canon wise .

the bellyaching section . Man , who cares for the NuTrek and its swimming Fatso ? Star Destroyers are not atmospheric things , it's gotta be because of the punks in Disney . This was certainly a good time for doin' a carrier, if a freighter is too weak to carry that important a cargo . And of course the action scenes . In the heyday of Stardestroyer.net they would be really marching to the offices with pitchforks and firebrands . Depression angle , man , depression angle ! Dogfight edition will have to cater for what transpires on the screen . Though the similarity of platforms might have fooled me in regards to which was shot and which was not . And a certainly certain unease at the the big guns and that participation business . R2-D2 would have briefed Obi Wan as soon as it met him on Tatooine like 40 years back and nobody would be like babbling , it's an essential part of the mystique . We know but they sure didn't know a long time ago in a galaxy far away , right ? And hell no for Tantive IV with clear identification of Rebel affiliation available so early . It's murder at the beginning of Episode IV , not legal war . So , another ship is a must for this location , too .

the totally unrelated section . Overheard a girl asking a guy whether yours idiotly is , you know , of the wrong kind . To his credit the guy couldn't say that this area is not a place that you can see Russian o p r n stars on the street , you know , by chance ... and what am supposed to discuss with people , that on that particular day ı had re-discovered my hate or something about Nefes , the Turkish anti-war epic , with its torturing impotent officer caste thing ?

and imagine what would have been said , as it surely would be said . Some Russian shakes her stuff and Halep falls . Have long been an hater of that Baltacı Mehmet dude , even it was more of a fault of the troops who felt this unease that the Russians could be exterminated back in something like 1711 and what the hell they would do afterwards , march on the Germans next year ? In the case , you know , if ı could and stuff ... Let alone stuff like Ayidis , as HIV used to be called back in the 80s .

the American exceptionalism section . Would almost laugh at the place where it transpires the Empire has Weapons of Mass Destruction . You see , they might have hyperspace travel but don't know jack about nukes and the lot , because they have no glorious America to do da bomb ! ı think ı might have actually laughed ... Imagine the preposterous notion that any rebel would throw 5 kiloton hand grenades to topple the walkers everybody has seen in the trailers ...

ı read it 5 or 10 times and now think there's not much spoilers that will require me to throw of some cordon of stormtroopers around , but still at your own risk . ı don't know the whole extent of TV ads , things might be seen there or not .

 

[r16]

"Now I know what people meant by saying it felt like ESB, I really loved it."

is a comment ı found where people are kinda nuts about the genre .

 

[warpus]

Duels by Kevin Tong

(cool posters unrelated to the new movie, 0 spoilers)

Spoiler :

Death Star II

Cloud City

 

[JohannaK]

You got the names switched.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Spoiler free thoughts I posted on a different forum last night when I got home.

I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I guess I'll not bury the HOT TAKE LEDE and just say that as a movie, Rogue One is more interesting than TFA. It strays from tradition more, it works emotively more, and it doesn't have plot holes that you can drive a bus through. While it's no 4-6 in that regard (they being pretty darn tight all things considered, for action movies), the few plot holes are more Segway sized than Greyhound sized.

I had hopes for this because of the director. Gareth Edwards has made two feature films, his first film, Monsters, is a shoe-string budget film about two strangers tasked with nearly impossible odds as they traverse alien infested Mexico to get to the US. But instead of playing up the Monsters and delivering some sci-fi fight fest, it presents them merely as a constant threat. Rather, the movie spends most of the screen time dwelling on our two protagonist's journey and their relationship in the toughest of circumstances. It excelled as a character piece, and was a not-so-subtle jab at immigration policies and the philosophical idea of national borders.

Godzilla was his first big-budget film, and while it had a good sense of tragedy and scale, it floundered a bit and didn't give enough time to the central characters, pandered to action set-pieces too much, rushed a lot of plot developments, and fell flat because of it.

Still, as I said, I had hope here because Edwards can really make some good characters - believable characters - as a ragtag group even in the presence of insurmountable odds- and oh my gosh that sounds like Star Wars!

And in Rogue One, he does! This is a more emotive piece. Infact, Edwards shoots for more tragedy and drama than any previous Star Wars movie, and while it's not always a success, it works way more often than it doesn't.

But perhaps most impressively is how hard this had to be. TFA had the impossible task of living up to 4-6 and starting the series off on fresh footing, not the bantha poodoo infested one Jar Jar trampled across the prequels with (as much as I still love them). And you can tell Disney wanted to stick with what worked and mirror 4-6 as much as possible. That was hard enough in terms of living up to renewed expectations.

Rogue One, too, had a really, really difficult challenge itself; how do you insert a work into a 7 movie universe as a prequel to the 4th movie that was made almost 40 years ago, and stay consistent with everything already established as cannon while still eking out a new existence?

I don't know! I wouldn't even know where to begin! Obviously, some people did, because almost every concept introduced here, every battle, every world building universe moment, is consistent with the period from 3 to 4, consistent with 4, and oftentimes a direct counter to that voice in the back of your head that would say "well what about..." Credit to everyone involved making this mostly seamless. I was expecting to come out wondering how the hell this would fit without unintentionally retconning or messing up the internal established rules. It frays the boundaries a bit, but manages to come up really clean, all things considered. There are a few things that aren't 100% seamless with 4-6, but it's so close that credit is due.

The main flaws? A few. A couple scenes teeter on the edge of melodrama. An important character is entirely CGI, for understandable reasons, but I ultimately disagree with the decision. CGI is getting there, and has come a long ways from CGI Neo in Matrix Reloaded, but it still pulls the viewer out a bit and reminds you it's all just a movie. Maybe in another 20 years or so. There are also still a decent amount of callbacks, which some love and others not so much, but other than one sort of veering into dead horse territory, the movie isn't nearly as wed to them as TFA was.

All the characters, except one (who is sadly typecast), otherwise, are pretty darn good, and shine in their own ways. The two leads are great, the droid is great. Even the minor characters have their moments.

It's a fuzzier film. The good guys aren't all good, war is awful, and the Rebel Alliance is shown to be just that; an alliance. The travesty of the Empire and the things they do, like, in 4 where they BLOW UP A PLANET are finally given some appropriate weight. It's a departure film. Literally not even 1 second into the film and you realize you're not in Kansas any more. Maybe Nebraska. Or Iowa. You get the drift.

Ultimately, it all just works. It works as an in-universe insert, up through the very last scenes that are so, so good. It works as a character piece. It works as a war piece (which, ironically, Star WARS never really has). It works emotionally, mostly. It works as tragedy. Most importantly, it works as a Star Wars film - a different one, a darker one, an edgier one, one that Lucas wouldn't have made, all due respect to how dark V was, but still, in its own, an excellent film.

 

[JohannaK]

I mean V had Lawrence Kasdan writing and someone else directing. You can say it was one Lucas wouldn't have made.

Anyhow, funny you say that because another review I watched said that aside from Jyn Erso the rest of characters had no background and thus fell flat and that was the worst of it (he still enjoyed it very much).

Looking forward to it anyhow.