Aloha communication thread

How about they trade Iron Working to us now and we will give them Lit in say 6 turns. If they agree to this rather lopsided deal we will give them the rights to trade CoL.

Iron and Lit are the same price, but not really of equal utility especially if we have a lock on the Great Lib.
 
maybe it would be even better if we give them some way to trade CS from us so they don't develope any relationship with Piffle.
 
I like the idea of making them get CS from us.

I don't think we need to convince them so much about a Lit-IW swap. We won't be able to use IW against them anytime soon, and they Lit could still be very useful for them even if they have guessed that we're shooting for the GL.
 
Let us trade them CS, keep Piffle out!
 
Well Iron is worth 200 and CS is 800 so lets just found what they are reseaching next and thay can just owe us the difference.
 
I would be straight with them and say we'll have CS in two turns and would like to trade with them at that time. We want to keep our tech alliance together and strong.
 
chat with BCLG (Simon) and Me (Skieën was geweldig)

Skiën was geweldig zegt:
hey
Simon zegt:
hey
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
about the MTDG, we expect to have CS in about two turns, so we could trade it to you too
Simon zegt:
your innovia right?
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
yep
Simon zegt:
ah k cool, in exchange for what?
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
Well, CS is quite expensive, so a suggestion made in our team forums was CS for Iron Working and another tech in the near future to make it about even
Simon zegt:
ok i'll just check what we're working on
Simon zegt:
IW and monarchy?
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
I'll report it to the team forum
I can't go making deals on my own here
Simon zegt:
yup no worries
Simon zegt:
do you have monotheism?
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
I don't think we've got it yet
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
no we don't
Simon zegt:
ok, well IW, mono and monarchy
Simon zegt:
that equals about 620 beakers
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
That's 620 beakers tota
Simon zegt:
and CS is 800
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
did the calculations myself too
Simon zegt:
lol nice one
Simon zegt:
well i think you owe us some beakers from the last tech swap
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
*checking what other trades we had*
Simon zegt:
do you have med/poly?
Simon zegt:
that big one for CoL/MC etc
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
this was it right?
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
"I have sent Alpha for Maths
then next turn Priest for MC
then CoL."
Simon zegt:
yep
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
alpha(300)+priesthood(60)+CoL(350)=710
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
Math (250)+MC(450)=700
Simon zegt:
hmmm was there another tech?
Simon zegt:
calendar?
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
I don't think we've got calendar already, I believe we're still getting culture from obelisks. I could be wrong though, haven't checked the save in a while, but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere
Simon zegt:
ok well we do have calender also
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
that one is 350
Simon zegt:
yup
Simon zegt:
so we could trade that to you, however then you would owe us 200 odd beakers (i think)
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
yeah, and we'd miss out on some culture, so we've got to check that too
Simon zegt:
well i dont think we'll have calendar for a few turns
Simon zegt:
(nor monarchy+ mono for that matter)
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
Well, I guess we've both got to report back to our team forums, so let's do that first, I think we've got most possibilities covered now, and then we'll email you with our offer in a few days
Simon zegt:
k doke sure thing
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
btw if you include Calendar, you could also exclude mono? that would make the difference 80 (right?)
Simon zegt:
not really because mono is the pre req for monarchy
Simon zegt:
unless you have priesthood?
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
yes we have, we've traded it to you and we needed it for CoL
Simon zegt:
ah right k
Simon zegt:
well ill pass that one around too
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
btw you've met piffle right?
Simon zegt:
yup
Simon zegt:
once you get IW, you'll see something v interesting on the map btw
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
Do you know if they're in an alliance with Epsilon or something like that
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
iron??
Simon zegt:
its do with that yes
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
we're they ahead of you (us )
Simon zegt:
its hard to say, epsilon obviously are in the lead and piffle were pretty much proposing a three way
Simon zegt:
between you us and them vs epsilon
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
Did Sirian place it in an interesting position
Simon zegt:
lol- im not gonna give away what it is, you have to get the tech off us first
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
Everyone versus Epsilon? Who knows, could be our only chance
Simon zegt:
well we didnt talk so much about loco
Simon zegt:
i dont know if its just us but they seem hard to work with
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
We'd have to meet them first though, but we're sending a warrior to the north east (i suppose that's were you are), can we meet them that way?
Simon zegt:
im not sure how we met tbh, i was away when it happened
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
They aren't responding to us most of the time either
Simon zegt:
but i think it was by boat
Simon zegt:
and yes we're north east of you
Simon zegt:
not very north though
Simon zegt:
but quite a bit east
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
have you seen our warrior coming NE?
Simon zegt:
no
Simon zegt:
or at least not that i know of
Simon zegt:
recently we've had a bit of barb trouble
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
good luck with that, at least it'll give your troops some experience
Simon zegt:
yeah, handy in that way
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
it's now near some ivory
Simon zegt:
hmm from memory we have ivory nowhere near us
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
well, we aren't that far away from home yet , it took you quite a while to discover us too
Skiën was geweldig zegt:
Mapmakers do seem to love landbridges by the way
 
Thanks for handling that for us Dutch. I'm sure where he is getting those tech deals from though, they don't have Monotheism, Monarchy or Calander.
 
Nice one, getting him to reveal they have met piffle. That means almost complete contact all around.

We should ask about their opinion of other teams. What we get back might not be the truth but it would be interesting anyway.

Which brings me to, do we want to use any misinformation? :evil:
 
We're not going to lie, we're just not always speaking the complete truth :p
I think our first priority should be to knock out Epsilon.
 
From Aloha:
Greetings innoverians

Sorry for the delay in reply ive been busy recently. We were wondering whether you'd be interested in swapping machinery and calender for Civil service and meditation?

We should have machinery shortly but if we were to have CS before then we could get it quicker and then maybe ignore the beaker difference between the deal

Regards
BCLG
This sound like a reasonable offer. And it would help us on the way to guilds and camel archers. Should we accept it?
 
1050 for 880, hell yes!
 
Yes, everyone vs. Epsilon
 
Looks like we have enough to support the deal so our next turn should be here soon lets offer CS for Calender right away and when they finish Machinery we can swap it for Meditation.
 
I have sent a response accepting the deal to Aloha, suggesting that we do it over two steps like 1889 proposed.
 
I just sent a message to Aloha regarding the further tech coorperation:
Greetings, Aloha

First, thank you for the great tech coorperation so far. I'm sure we've both benefitted greatly.

What are you researching currently? We are in the process of discovering Feudalism, and depending on the price of your next tech we could perhaps make a swap?

Theoden, Innovia
 
I think we should do something against Epsilon.
What about suggesting an alliance with Aloha against Epsilon, like this:

  • This Treaty will stay active until Epsilon is destroyed
  • This treaty is between Team Aloha and Team Innovia
  • Both teams will share all technologies
  • Both teams will not declare war on eachother
  • Both teams will support eachother in war (Defensive & Offensive Pact)
  • Both teams will coordinate settlement and research so both teams will profit.
 
Take out the tech sharing and replace it with some kind of rule that both teams must be willing to trade techs they possess. Sharing all techs is a very bad idea, trust me, I have done this one time too many in PBEM. Otherwise it sounds like a reasonable alliance providing we add a clause about not trading techs with Epsilon.
 
This is a big step. It basically means declaring war on Epsilon and probably Piffle too, with Loco still undecided. I think it is too big a risk, considering that this doesn't get us much more than we already have.
 
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