Alternate History NESes; Spout some ideas!

[Himalia]

I was summerising prehaps abit to much there theres plenty that went on between those periods. Only real problem we had was map sizes. 362x362 is the maximum we could ever get.

 

[Cuivienen]

Would seem to be "Hejjaz"...

I think I have an idea. Lets start a "No Islam" althistory contest here! Invite GM, IP and NK here as well, and also send out scouting parties to look for SKILORD!

Look what I've started! (At least now people are interested in the No-Islam timeline(s).)

 

[North King]

Would seem to be "Hejjaz"...

I think I have an idea. Lets start a "No Islam" althistory contest here! Invite GM, IP and NK here as well, and also send out scouting parties to look for SKILORD!

Good with me. Will work upon it.

 

[das]

Now if we could only persuade Xen to actually do something about it. The Byzantine-Persian axis and a mediocre (albeit probably more prosperous and more populated) Arabia sound interesting as well.

 

[Xen]

To make things more interesting in the east, I suggest that you have belisarius take up the kingship of the western empire; why? well because ti leaves more reasources to Byzantium; more direct resource smean that in thier epic wars, Byzantium may try to conqoure Persia, and not just slip in a puppet ruler.

this woudl lead to far more interesting events all around, IMO.

 

[North King]

To make things more interesting in the east, I suggest that you have belisarius take up the kingship of the western empire; why? well because ti leaves more reasources to Byzantium; more direct resource smean that in thier epic wars, Byzantium may try to conqoure Persia, and not just slip in a puppet ruler.

this woudl lead to far more interesting events all around, IMO.

That's a bit OT from a no Islam world, isn't it?



Heh, if you really want to make things interesting, well, let's just say my story in the Civ3 stories forum was going to be quite different from this world. But oh well, I digress.

 

[Cuivienen]

The point wasn't to make a world in which the Roman Empire miraculously reemerges, Xen

 

[Capulet]

I heart Islam.

das, as a Muslim, I think there is seriously something different with Islam than other religions. There is a huge amount of faith required in Islam, so the religious fervor is there, in every Muslim. And I think without it, the Arabs really wouldn't have gotten anywhere.

 

[Xen]

The point wasn't to make a world in which the Roman Empire miraculously reemerges, Xen

well, might as well try to steer it that why, while I had the chance...

 

[Xen]

That's a bit OT from a no Islam world, isn't it?



Heh, if you really want to make things interesting, well, let's just say my story in the Civ3 stories forum was going to be quite different from this world. But oh well, I digress.

since the talk in C&C about a "Roma Invicta" type thing, where I suggested a bit more fleshed out version of belisarius takign the western thrown, and having it well recieved by my fellow Roman citizens (I guess you barbarians just dont have the passion ) I've been mulling over it somwhat.

 

[Insane_Panda]

das, as a Muslim, I think there is seriously something different with Islam than other religions. There is a huge amount of faith required in Islam, so the religious fervor is there, in every Muslim. And I think without it, the Arabs really wouldn't have gotten anywhere.

The same could be said about other religions aswell. In Buddhism, a huge amount of faith is required aswell, albiet a different kind of faith. In Christianity, or atleast in its more antiquated forms, required much faith aswell. I think the Arabs would have gotten somewhere without Islam, but I dont think they would have made the same impact as they did.

 

[Cuivienen]

I agree with Insane_Panda - I think the Bedouin peoples probably would have remained largely insignificant in history without Islam (as they had been before Islam), but the most southern Arabs would have become a key link in the trade between east and west, perhaps resulting in earlier and more expansive civilization in eastern Africa as they expanded their trade routes.

 

[das]

Xen, I already did Belisarius before... I do have some sinister plans about Persia... But I need to do some research.

Albeit I'm a convinced Atheist, I guess I can understand you Capulet. Lack of Islam to you, lack of an Israeli state/Russian state to me... yes, a very sensitive issue.

I don't think the Bedouins would have remained insignificant. There is just way too much potential in them. That said, same with the Kalmyks, no? So, as I said, it could go either way.

As for South Arabs, it would seem that by then they already were in something of a decline. Ofcourse, there's always a possibility for a renaissance of sorts there.

 

[North King]

Well, I made a map. But I'm deep in storywriting, so no timeline written for it yet. Just a teaser for now. (1000 AD. And don't get too excited, Xen, the Byzantine Empire is a lot weaker than it looks.

 

[Xen]

Ravenna shoudl be Under Byzantine control (and so shoudl Venice); Rome was crap, and full of heretics tot he the orthodox Byzantines, Ravenna at least had the prestige of beign the last Imperial cpaital, and moderatelly defendable; Venice was in a stregic strong point that one coudl crack until Napoleons era (and Venice just decided to surrender, rather then have the havoc of bombarment by cannon on the city)

 

[North King]

Should be? This is an alternate history, and there's a darned good reason they aren't. Namely, the Byzantines are too weak to capture those, and are barely strong enough to hold onto the rest of Italy, mainly because the Franks split to pieces before they could exploit the Byzantine weakness.

 

[Xen]

A)if the franks are weak and split up, why are the Byzantines weak in turn
B)alternate-smalternate; the POD comes after those areas were already caputured, and they were th eonly areas Byzantium had any interest out side of sicilly in keeping
C)this still dosent negate the fact that the franks at thie rpeak couldnt take venice against a byzantium who didnt even show up; it was th elocal milita who fought them off, and used the terrian to thier advantage; if the franks couldnt take it in thier prime, then the Germans wont be able to take it all, no matte rhow far you want to skew the POD, NOTHING will make germany strong enough to do so in such a short amount of time during th emiddle ages

 

[das]

Ravenna seems to be under Roman control, no? And Venice was nearly-independant in OTL. Don't see why whats-the-German-nation-called can't take it.

Nice map, but it seems that you stole at least one of my genius ideas from my No Islam althist on which I will work soon.

 

[North King]

A)if the franks are weak and split up, why are the Byzantines weak in turn

In a word: Turks.

B)alternate-smalternate; the POD comes after those areas were already caputured, and they were th eonly areas Byzantium had any interest out side of sicilly in keeping

Strange, because they had Rome as well. In any case, a Byzantine Empire happened to be entranced with the idea of recreating the Roman Empire and wrested the area away from weak lombard duchies, who in any case were dealing with Berber pirate raids.

C)this still dosent negate the fact that the franks at thie rpeak couldnt take venice against a byzantium who didnt even show up; it was th elocal milita who fought them off, and used the terrian to thier advantage; if the franks couldnt take it in thier prime, then the Germans wont be able to take it all, no matte rhow far you want to skew the POD, NOTHING will make germany strong enough to do so in such a short amount of time during th emiddle ages

Who said Venice had to be subdued by actual assault? There is bribery, and the subjects of this particular Byzantine Empire are none too loyal.

 

[North King]

Nice map, but it seems that you stole at least one of my genius ideas from my No Islam althist on which I will work soon.

The Turks? Or the Palestine-which-no-longer-exists?

I thought up both of them independently, thank you.

And I'm quite sure you did not have a Buddhist Empire based in Balkh in yours.