Alternative Leaders of Egypt (Mod Potential)

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think 9/11 made Saudi Arabia a very unlikely choice, even if the Saudi government has been more or less friendly with the West--emphasis on "more or less." TBH if I were picking the modern Middle East's representative I might have gone with Jordan as the most stable polity in the region, but it doesn't really have a standout ability or EQ like Egypt does.

Well to be fair almost 2 millions Saudis live in modern day Egypt.
But yeah I guess it would constitute basically Saudi Arabia. But as an alternative to places like Iraq and Syria it would be more ideal. Plus Jordan doesn't really stand out as much as all the others as a potential faction, in my opinion, over any of these.

 

[Zaarin]

Plus Jordan doesn't really stand out as much as all the others as a potential faction, in my opinion, over any of these.

Their king was an extra on Star Trek once. That's got to count for something, even if it was the garbage-tier show.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Their king was an extra on Star Trek once. That's got to count for something, even if it was the garbage-tier show.

Doesn't really help the argument for me. I'd still pick modern Egypt over Jordan.

Anyway back to Egypt, I think if Nasser were to lead a civ he would make more sense as an alternate leader of Arabia, considering he was a big proponent of Pan-Arabism movement. Not that I'd want him though as their are better options still such as the return of Harun al Rashid.

If we had to pick another Egypt leader it would have to be any leader from before Cleopatra VII.

 

[Zaarin]

Doesn't really help the argument from me.

It was mostly a joke, though on a more serious note the Hashemites have been pretty good leaders IMO. Unfortunately good leadership isn't very exciting, especially in a game without leaders.

Anyway back to Egypt, I think if Nasser were to lead a civ he would make more sense as an alternate leader of Arabia, considering he was a big proponent of Pan-Arabism movement. Not that I'd want him though as their are better options still such as the return of Harun al Rashid.

Agreed, though, like you, I think a Medieval caliph or sultan is probably the best place to look for alternate Arabian leaders.

If we had to pick another Egypt leader it would have to be any leader from before Cleopatra VII.

I'd go a step further and say before Ptolemy I. We don't need another Ptolemy.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I'd go a step further and say before Ptolemy I. We don't need another Ptolemy.

Were there really any other prominent Ptolemies other than the first one and Cleopatra?

 

[Zaarin]

Were there really any other prominent Ptolemies other than the first one and Cleopatra?

Not any real standouts, no. If Cleopatra VII Philopter didn't exist, I suppose Cleopatra III Philometer might have some appeal as a CdM-type figure. Cleopatra VII's daughter Cleopatra Selene II might be a viable option for Numidia...but not really an ideal one versus Masinissa or Juba I. (I can appreciate the desire to represent the Hellenistic world, but maybe in Civ7 instead of Cleopatra for Egypt or a separate Macedon civ for Alex we can get a Seleucid civ? Antiochus IV Epiphanes would be, uh...fun. )

 

[Aurelesk]

Anyway back to Egypt, I think if Nasser were to lead a civ he would make more sense as an alternate leader of Arabia, considering he was a big proponent of Pan-Arabism movement.

Well, no. Even if Egypt is the most prominent figure of the Arab World, it would be very wrong to put him as an alternate leader of Arabia. I mean, Nasser is at the origin of the Arab Cold War against Arabia (even if I like more Nasser and its secular, pan-Arab nationialism views than King Faisal pro-islamism stance).
Nasser as an alternate leader of Arabia makes as much sense as him being an alternate leader of the Ottoman Empire.

Pan-Arabism is a "myth". Even if almost every Arab population (except maybe Maghreb) backed the plan for a pan-Arabism Union, every Arab countries in the region would be in at the sole condition to be the one to lead it. If they really wanted it, they could do a federal system à la United States, something that never came up to the table of negotiation. The countries in the Arab League are very far from as closely linked together than those in the Europe Union.

The only time a some sort of Pan-Arabism union was created was the Egypt-Syria Union under Egypt rule. To be fair, Syria would end up to be a colony of the far-more developed Egypt. Many Syrians at the time started to think if being a french colony would not be better for them than that, so they left the union 3 years later (well, communism and cold war might have contributed to that desunion...).

Irak-Jordan was in project. We could argue if this project could have resulted to anything at all since both country wanted to lead that union. Then the King of Irak was no more, and so the perspective of that union.

Then Gaddafi wanted to created a super-Union with Libya, Egypt, Sudan and Syria. But once again, this leads nowhere because they all wanted to be in charge.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Well, no. Even if Egypt is the most prominent figure of the Arab World, it would be very wrong to put him as an alternate leader of Arabia. I mean, Nasser is at the origin of the Arab Cold War against Arabia (even if I like more Nasser and its secular, pan-Arab nationialism views than King Faisal pro-islamism stance).
Nasser as an alternate leader of Arabia makes as much sense as him being an alternate leader of the Ottoman Empire.

Pan-Arabism is a "myth". Even if almost every Arab population (except maybe Maghreb) backed the plan for a pan-Arabism Union, every Arab countries in the region would be in at the sole condition to be the one to lead it. If they really wanted it, they could do a federal system à la United States, something that never came up to the table of negotiation. The countries in the Arab League are very far from as closely linked together than those in the Europe Union.

I guess I should have made myself more clearer.
He would definitely fit the mold of being an alternate Arabian leader as opposed to an alternate Egyptian leader, which was my point. However in the grand scheme of things he's better off not leading either in the games, including the Ottomans. Another medieval Caliphate or Sultan would work better.