Maniacal
the green Napoleon
I have a question... in real life if the Japenes home islands had been invaded, nearly the entire population would have resisted, many to the death. So invading Japan would be very very hard.
An Oncoming Train Wreck - Beginners HoI2 AAR
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IronMan2055
Korra 2011
They seem to want to keep the capitol as east as possible...
True, but you have to look at Hearts of Iron as a war-simulation not a political simulation. HoI is very deep on the war strategy level, but the political level is basically entirly driven by events (so it's not really dynamic).
sirtommygunn
Emperor
can we keep going? i wanna see world domination darnit!
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
I've actually played about 2 years without anything happening. I'll post what I have from that sometime tomorrow.
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
With most of America now subdued, the Kriegsmarine set out to capture the last remnants of the British and American colonial holdings. A large fleet set sail from Colon in Panama and managed to reach Samoa. In the North Tonga Trench, the Kriegsmarine encountered the full might of the American navy. 36 German ships, including 8 carriers faced off against 80 American ships, including 8 carriers. At first things looked bleak for the Germans, but soon the tide turned and thanks to their technologically advanced carriers, the Kriegsmarine emerged victorious. The Americans lost 4 carriers, 1 battleship, 6 cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 9 destroyer divisions, while the Germans only lost 1 transport flotilla.
The Germans quickly island hopped around the South Pacific, capturing Samoa, Fiji, and the Solomon Islands. Following these victories, the British and American governments surrendered, while the rest of the Allies continued to fight on. Cyprus, Iceland, Greenland, the Falklands, and the remaining areas still opposing the Germans in North America were handed over to German authority.
With the vast lands of North America under German occupation, several puppet nations were set up to administer the newly conquered territories. Alberta, New England, Deseret, Texas, Cascadia, Newfoundland, Puerto Rico, California, and Quebec were granted independence under German authority. Even with these newly created puppets, much of North America was still under German control.
Yeah, so that is all I have for a whole 2 years. I've just been building up and such. Soon I should be launching the invasion of Japan.
The Germans quickly island hopped around the South Pacific, capturing Samoa, Fiji, and the Solomon Islands. Following these victories, the British and American governments surrendered, while the rest of the Allies continued to fight on. Cyprus, Iceland, Greenland, the Falklands, and the remaining areas still opposing the Germans in North America were handed over to German authority.
With the vast lands of North America under German occupation, several puppet nations were set up to administer the newly conquered territories. Alberta, New England, Deseret, Texas, Cascadia, Newfoundland, Puerto Rico, California, and Quebec were granted independence under German authority. Even with these newly created puppets, much of North America was still under German control.
Yeah, so that is all I have for a whole 2 years. I've just been building up and such. Soon I should be launching the invasion of Japan.
Mirc
Not mIRC!!!
Sorry for asking such a stupid question (I've never played HoI or HoI 2) but why is it better to create puppet states, rather than annexing them and keeping them annexed? 
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Well for one thing you don't have to worry about partisans in those areas. Beyond that, you would have to ask one of the people who have played HoI for a while.
sirtommygunn
Emperor
its preety much just to hand over all those provinces that arent worth a dam to sombody else so that you dont have to deal with partisians there
Mirc
Not mIRC!!!
Thanks. 
And at the end, if you've annexed everyone else, you can re-annex them also, if you are going for a world conquest, right?
And at the end, if you've annexed everyone else, you can re-annex them also, if you are going for a world conquest, right?
Metromonkey
Prince
Doesn't it also lower your belligerence?
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Yes, but at this point I really don't care about belligerence. I think mine is somewhere around 450. 
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
I couldn't find them in the list after I annexed the US. Perhaps you can only release them if at war with the US.
EDIT - Yeah, that was the case. I erased a line in the revolts.txt file and CSA became releasable.
EDIT - Yeah, that was the case. I erased a line in the revolts.txt file and CSA became releasable.
Partisans are an important reason, but there are others...Sorry for asking such a stupid question (I've never played HoI or HoI 2) but why is it better to create puppet states, rather than annexing them and keeping them annexed?
Every country has a certain amount of transport capacity (an abstract of trains, trucks,...). This number is dependant on the amount of industry you have. Extra units and extra provinces drains your TC.
When you annex countries, you receive about 20% of their industries. So if you annex countries with very few industries, you gain a very small amount of production capacity for a large drain on your TC. In that case puppeting is better. Especialy because the combat effectiveness of your army will diminish significantly when your TC is in the red.
If I'm not mistaking you get 50% of the resource production when you annex a country. But if you puppet a country, you'll get every resource your puppet produces above 1000 units. That can be very significant for countries with a large supply of a certain resource (f.e. Iraq with it's oil).
It also lowers your belligerance to puppet nations. And you can also puppet countries during peace negotiations without annexing the country. That way you almost don't get any belligerance.
Hope that explains it a bit.
EDIT: I forgot something. Puppets can of course use 100% of their production capabilities. So they can make their own units which you can use or let them defend their own country. Thus releasing some military resources for your campaigns.
I'm a fan of puppeting. Does it notice?
IronMan2055
Korra 2011
My people would never choose such a bland flag 
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
New puppet, the Confederate States.
In mid-1945, Germany launched an invasion of Central America. 7 divisions attacked from Villahermosa in the north while another force of 7 divisions landed in Colon and proceeded northwards. Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Panama were the only nations which fielded armies to oppose the German armies. El Salvador, Honduras, and Costa Rica simply allowed the Germans to march through unopposed.
Right after the fall of Central America, Germany launched it's campaign against Japan. armies in Burma and Kashmir were mobilized and marched across the border. Meanwhile, armies in Hawaii boarded transports to prepare to island hop across the Pacific, and the Kriegsmarine departed Pearl Harbor with a force of 70 ships, including 8 aircraft carriers.
Within a month, Japanese forces had been pushed back to the Siamese border. In the north, German forces were crossing into Yunnan while in the south the Germans were advancing on Bangkok. In the Himalayas, Japanese forces were retreating, with specialized German Mountain divisions working their way through the mountain range.
The first target for the Pacific fleets was Midway Island. German transports landed on the beaches of Midway and infantry assaulted the island. The Japanese defenders were too strong however, and the Germans were forced to retreat. They sailed on to Wake Island, where the defenders were unable to hold on, and Germany took control of the island. With the fall of Wake Island, the Kriegsmarine was now able to reach the coast of Japan. A total of 25 divisions made the journey and landed on the northern coasts of the island of Honshu.
Progress through the thick jungles and mountains of Southeast Asia was slow. By February 1946, the Germans had only just reached Bangkok. Another army had pushed south and was advancing towards Singapore on the Malay peninsula. In the north, the Germans had broken into China and Vietnam. Hanoi had fallen, cutting off Japanese forces in Indochina from the rest of their armies.
German forces reached Cambodia and advanced towards Southern Vietnam. With the fall of Bangkok and the rest of their major cities, the Siamese government surrendered and much of the interior fell into German hands.
Soon afterwards, German forces had completely overrun the Japanese home islands. Despite this, the Japanese government vowed to fight on, refusing to surrender as long as their army still stood. The government fled and set up a new capital at Busan on the Korean Peninsula.
By July, 1946, Japanese and Chinese forces on the mainland were in full retreat. The Germans had pushed them up against the East China Sea coastline. Hong Kong had fallen while the Wehrmacht advanced on Nanjing and Beijing. Despite greater numbers, the defenders were unable to halt the German advance which took advantage of its strong technological advantage.
German forces began boarding transports in Japan and prepared to make landings in Korea to open up a new front in the war. Landing at Jeju completely unopposed, the Germans made a crossing of the strait to land at Gwangju. 8 divisions in total began to push up the peninsula and chased the Japanese towards Manchuria.
With the defeat of Japanese forces in Indochina, German forces departed on transports towards the Philippines. Landing at Lingay Gulf, the Germans captured Aparri, Clark Field, and Bataan before launching an assault on Manila. A total of 6 Japanese divisions had been left to garrison the archipelago. With the Kriegsmarine blockading the Leyte Gulf, the Japanese defenders became trapped in the island of Luzon and were quickly destroyed.
German forces had reached Beijing in the north and now only two pockets of resistance in China remained. One centered around the Nanjing-Shanghai corridor, and another at Fuzhou. The pocket at Fuzhou was much smaller than the one surrounding Shanghai and consisted of mostly Chinese soldiers.
With the fall on Nanjing and Hangzhou, the Chinese puppet state collapsed. Chinese soldiers surrendered, leaving only Japanese forces to defend the city of Shanghai. The Kriegsmarine arrived off the coast to prevent Japan from attempting an evacuation of any of the 40+ divisions in the city. 50 German divisions attacked the city, and after a brief battle, the Japanese forces were wiped out.
In the north, German forces had quickly sped through Manchuria and Korea, defeating all armies in their way. The Japanese puppet of Mengkukuo and Manchukuo surrendered to Germany. With the defeath, Japan was reduced to a series of islands throughout the East Indies and South Pacific.
German forces had been island-hopping all around the Japanese held islands. The Philippines, Sumatra, Borneo, Formosa, and Java were the first to fall. With those key islands under their control, the Germans could now focus on the smaller islands that dotted the South Pacific. Iwo Jima, Palau, Yap, Truk, Kwajalein, and Eniwetok fell, while German forces captured strategic points on the island of New Guinea. With their army decimated and their empire destroyed, the Japanese government finally surrendered.
The new German Asian territories.
In mid-1945, Germany launched an invasion of Central America. 7 divisions attacked from Villahermosa in the north while another force of 7 divisions landed in Colon and proceeded northwards. Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Panama were the only nations which fielded armies to oppose the German armies. El Salvador, Honduras, and Costa Rica simply allowed the Germans to march through unopposed.
Right after the fall of Central America, Germany launched it's campaign against Japan. armies in Burma and Kashmir were mobilized and marched across the border. Meanwhile, armies in Hawaii boarded transports to prepare to island hop across the Pacific, and the Kriegsmarine departed Pearl Harbor with a force of 70 ships, including 8 aircraft carriers.
Within a month, Japanese forces had been pushed back to the Siamese border. In the north, German forces were crossing into Yunnan while in the south the Germans were advancing on Bangkok. In the Himalayas, Japanese forces were retreating, with specialized German Mountain divisions working their way through the mountain range.
The first target for the Pacific fleets was Midway Island. German transports landed on the beaches of Midway and infantry assaulted the island. The Japanese defenders were too strong however, and the Germans were forced to retreat. They sailed on to Wake Island, where the defenders were unable to hold on, and Germany took control of the island. With the fall of Wake Island, the Kriegsmarine was now able to reach the coast of Japan. A total of 25 divisions made the journey and landed on the northern coasts of the island of Honshu.
Progress through the thick jungles and mountains of Southeast Asia was slow. By February 1946, the Germans had only just reached Bangkok. Another army had pushed south and was advancing towards Singapore on the Malay peninsula. In the north, the Germans had broken into China and Vietnam. Hanoi had fallen, cutting off Japanese forces in Indochina from the rest of their armies.
German forces reached Cambodia and advanced towards Southern Vietnam. With the fall of Bangkok and the rest of their major cities, the Siamese government surrendered and much of the interior fell into German hands.
Soon afterwards, German forces had completely overrun the Japanese home islands. Despite this, the Japanese government vowed to fight on, refusing to surrender as long as their army still stood. The government fled and set up a new capital at Busan on the Korean Peninsula.
By July, 1946, Japanese and Chinese forces on the mainland were in full retreat. The Germans had pushed them up against the East China Sea coastline. Hong Kong had fallen while the Wehrmacht advanced on Nanjing and Beijing. Despite greater numbers, the defenders were unable to halt the German advance which took advantage of its strong technological advantage.
German forces began boarding transports in Japan and prepared to make landings in Korea to open up a new front in the war. Landing at Jeju completely unopposed, the Germans made a crossing of the strait to land at Gwangju. 8 divisions in total began to push up the peninsula and chased the Japanese towards Manchuria.
With the defeat of Japanese forces in Indochina, German forces departed on transports towards the Philippines. Landing at Lingay Gulf, the Germans captured Aparri, Clark Field, and Bataan before launching an assault on Manila. A total of 6 Japanese divisions had been left to garrison the archipelago. With the Kriegsmarine blockading the Leyte Gulf, the Japanese defenders became trapped in the island of Luzon and were quickly destroyed.
German forces had reached Beijing in the north and now only two pockets of resistance in China remained. One centered around the Nanjing-Shanghai corridor, and another at Fuzhou. The pocket at Fuzhou was much smaller than the one surrounding Shanghai and consisted of mostly Chinese soldiers.
With the fall on Nanjing and Hangzhou, the Chinese puppet state collapsed. Chinese soldiers surrendered, leaving only Japanese forces to defend the city of Shanghai. The Kriegsmarine arrived off the coast to prevent Japan from attempting an evacuation of any of the 40+ divisions in the city. 50 German divisions attacked the city, and after a brief battle, the Japanese forces were wiped out.
In the north, German forces had quickly sped through Manchuria and Korea, defeating all armies in their way. The Japanese puppet of Mengkukuo and Manchukuo surrendered to Germany. With the defeath, Japan was reduced to a series of islands throughout the East Indies and South Pacific.
German forces had been island-hopping all around the Japanese held islands. The Philippines, Sumatra, Borneo, Formosa, and Java were the first to fall. With those key islands under their control, the Germans could now focus on the smaller islands that dotted the South Pacific. Iwo Jima, Palau, Yap, Truk, Kwajalein, and Eniwetok fell, while German forces captured strategic points on the island of New Guinea. With their army decimated and their empire destroyed, the Japanese government finally surrendered.
The new German Asian territories.
mythmonster2
BEC NOIR! RUN!
Erm, what does the last map mean? And are you gonna attack the U.S.S.R now? (again?)
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Last map is the Diplomatic map. All the green is mine, red is who I'm at war with, and whitish-yellow is people I'm not at war with.
I'm planning on taking down Australia, New Zealand, and the last French islands before taking down the Soviets.
I'm planning on taking down Australia, New Zealand, and the last French islands before taking down the Soviets.
e350tb
Stupendously Illogical Englishman
OK, but remember to set up a puppet state for Australia.
