Anarres versus ERIKK PBEM

Hi Sage :), and welcome to cfc.

Do you lurk on the rest of the forums? It's nice to have you here, but I hope you read some of the others too. I also hope ERIKK and me manage to amuse you in our game :D
 
Go Erikk! Even though I hate the American civ! They are always a pain in the ass. :p
 
Originally posted by Kevinicus
Go Erikk! Even though I hate the American civ! They are always a pain in the ass. :p
Hey Kevinicus, you got it in for me? [plasma]:cry:
 
Hey anarres and thanx for the welcome but this isnt my first time on the board my old scn was therealgamesage and im looking to join some PBEM games so if u find some that i cant could u please send me a PM?
 
Originally posted by anarres
Hey Kevinicus, you got it in for me? [plasma]:cry:
I am for you in the sense that I hate the American civ, against you cuz I think Erikk will win. :crazyeye:
 
sum up
Time to sum up our game so far. I do not know how many AI's Anarres has met yet (I think 2 or 3) but I know he knows I met at least four of them. For our readers a very rough drawing of what our world looks like. See attachment!

next moves
We might can expect some action within 30 turns because Anarres is in a bit of crappy place. Sorry for him he can not upgrade his warriors now... :satan: I have a little more room to expand peacefully. Another problem for Anarres are his techs. I have popped many huts. The gave me lots of money, warriors, maps and no settlers/cities. I also got some techs out of them too. But I am sure Anarres will catch up, being scientific and all :) But then again he has nothing to expect from our chieftain AI's I think...

the future
A war between Anarres and me is out of sight for while, as Anarres paid good money for peace until turn 53. Next to that there is a jungle between us :mad: As a matter of fact I think no early war is a good thing as Greece has the hoplite. But also: I wanna see how the expanding game differs between us. I was really suprised that anarres expanded faster then me (by discovering a lonely Greek settler in the fields). I assume he has a cow in the range of his capital. Meanwhile I am on four cities now and I expect Greece to have a fourth city soon :)

Next session wil be in januari.
 
Crush them!
 
hehe. My stratagy will soon be public anyway, and ERIKK can not take advantage due to the lagre distance between us, so:

I have hoplites. The difficulty is cheiftan (no police needed yet). This means I can play very loose and take chances. If anything looks dodgy I can whip out a hoplite quick and stop most attacks (except a concerted AI attack, and no-one is near me). It is also worth noting that the AI rarely attacks in the first 60 turns or so, even if you are undefended.

The settler ERIKK found was going for some ivory in the middle of the plains. This was maybe not needed in the short term (on cheiftain) but is a hangover from playing deity too much ;). Anyway, it won't harm me to grab it now.

My early game in this kind of situation (expansion space and little threat) is focused solely on pumping settlers from at least 1 city and maybe 2. I always build a granary first if there are at least 2 nice squares (2.2.x). I know no-one else who builds granarys quick, but I do. And it works for land grabbing.

My first city was warrior.granary.settler.settler.... maybe the odd other thing to let the city grow a little. My empire was tiny after the first day (turn 22), but I have 3 cities now, and more are quickly following. I had to research pottery fast, and I got it in turn 12, and switched to granary from a small prebuild.

By the time ERIKK can start a war, all of my cities can have at least 2 or 3 vet hoplites, and more 'floating' ones. This is because in my non-settler-factory cities I first build barracks, then units. This division of labour is good. I always build a settler in a city with a granary (minimal loss) and I never build barracks in a settler-factory (unless I am waiting for it to grow).

So bring it on ERIKK. You caught me with my pants down, and I paid you good to leave me alone. In your position I would have done the same to me too. Next time I will be ready, with a large empire and decent defenses. :evil:

But this is where we leave it, at least until tomorrow evening, maybe the day after. See you soon :)
 
Originally posted by anarres
The settler ERIKK found was going for some ivory in the middle of the plains. This was maybe not needed in the short term (on cheiftain) but is a hangover from playing deity too much ;). Anyway, it won't harm me to grab it now.
Absolutely not necessary and a sole-plain city.... But I know the feeling and would have done the same I guess....

Originally posted by anarres
My early game in this kind of situation (expansion space and little threat) is focused solely on pumping settlers from at least 1 city and maybe 2. I always build a granary first if there are at least 2 nice squares (2.2.x). I know no-one else who builds granarys quick, but I do. And it works for land grabbing.

My first city was warrior.granary.settler.settler.... maybe the odd other thing to let the city grow a little. My empire was tiny after the first day (turn 22), but I have 3 cities now, and more are quickly following. I had to research pottery fast, and I got it in turn 12, and switched to granary from a small prebuild.
Your first warrior went south, your capital was empty :eek: for 30-40 turns? I built 3 scouts and a warrior and then a settler. Paid off too, got the techs (but not the city). But I got, indeed, too much defense. I will compensate it.

But where are the barbarians??????

Originally posted by anarres
By the time ERIKK can start a war, all of my cities can have at least 2 or 3 vet hoplites, and more 'floating' ones. This is because in my non-settler-factory cities I first build barracks, then units. This division of labour is good. I always build a settler in a city with a granary (minimal loss) and I never build barracks in a settler-factory (unless I am waiting for it to grow).
Still you have two regular hoplites and a regular warrior. And two buildings a 1 g/p/t. But OK, you now have a granary and will expand fast. Fortunally for me, you haven't got much room to expand to (or it should be jungles or desert). You will be in war soon...

Originally posted by anarres
So bring it on ERIKK. You caught me with my pants down, and I paid you good to leave me alone. In your position I would have done the same to me too. Next time I will be ready, with a large empire and decent defenses. :evil:
Maybe we both stay peacefull and go for a space race and wonder-building! :lol:
 
hehe hey guys....

All this in just 2 and a half days!

This looks like fun in the making ...

Sorry anarres but my money is on ERIKK too...

No hard feelings dude.. but, well I dunno

Melifluous

PS. Right that should subscribe to this damn thread now :mad:
 
Dont underestimate Anarres. His record on deity level is as good as anybody's.
 
Since everyone is backing ERIKK, does it mean I get extra kudos if I manage to pull a win from this :)

In all honesty, ERIKK looks strong because he has managed to extort money from me, but he can not do that again. Nor can he wage an easy ancient war against hoplites.

My land is not as bad as ERIKK thinks, but he will find that out soon enough. Unless he has already built a force of horsemen and it is on it's way I am fairly safe. Even if he has, I should still be OK with hoplites. My guess is that ERIKK will go for a mostly swordmen army, because he has to attack defence 3 + fortified. This gives me plenty of time to play with.

Of course, if I had not gone for a rapid expansion I would have gone for the wheel and chariots, then mass upgrade to horsemen and a quick attack - but that is very risky.

It will be interesting to see how warfare develops. I imagine there will be much quicker and smaller 'raids' while we are far apart, if at all. Avoiding being seen by the enemy may be a very important tactic for multiplayer. I am looking forward to this :)
 
Hey col, I just re-read your first post:
AI 1000-1 :D
Methinks you are being to generous to the AI. Remember it's cheiftain ;)

And it's nice to know at least 1 person thinks I am still in the race :D
 
I don't underestimate you either. I know how good you are, you are in the Aeson, SirPleb, Bamspeedy -class :)

We have immediately seen your class and guts with the warrior-granary-settler-settler (with the warrior gone out to search me)...

Well, I do not know how much you have seen from the surrounding lands. Your initial starting place is good!
 
Originally posted by anarres
And it's nice to know at least 1 person thinks I am still in the race :D

You two are two of the most experienced players around. You've both played in the Tournament at the highest level from the start - and that makes you used to playing a variety of styles and being able to play different civ's strangths and weaknesses.

One of the things I've noticed in PBEM sign-ups is that most players seem to have 'favourite' civs. That seems to me to be a large weakness. I used to play chess at quite a high level once and one of the keys to beating other good players was to create a style of game that you are comfortable with and your opponent not. Forcing a slow builder-style game on a warmonger or a fast moving attack game on a builder is the way I see MP games developing. Versatile players without a preferred style will always be more dangerous and able to adjust more rapidly to changing circumstances.

As self-elected commentator and bookie ;)

@Anarres Your farmer gambit has paid off, it would seem. The Greek's attributes of scientific and commercial suggest a builder approach. Long term prospects must favour this civ.

@Erikk No settlers :( American traits of expansionist and industrious will always give fast start. Difficult to make early military headway against hoplites though.

I dont see any advantage to either from the early game. It would be nice to know which other civs are in the game. This one could swing on an early leader from a quick war against one of the AIs.
 
now i agree with col except the fact about when peeps have fav civs they have weaknesses. As I see it, having a fav civ myself, that a truly great stratigist can take one outlet and turn it into a variety of uses and strenghts. Because as i was told, if u adapt to a person stratigy u force him to change and in eccense defeat himself. So i play as one civ to give an impression that i only have so few choices when in reality i have so many. Sorry if i get like this sometimes, i can dwell on about things.
 
Originally posted by SageThe Realist
Sorry if i get like this sometimes, i can dwell on about things.

Hey. Talking the talk is half the fun
;)
 
Originally posted by ERIKK
Well, I do not know how much you have seen from the surrounding lands. Your initial starting place is good!

Yesterday, before leaving to a party, I played the next turn (it is with you Anarres now :D ) a watched the map again. And Anarres is right: he has enough good lands to settle lots of more cities on.

@col: we know the civs, I have posted the standings/score twice! The civs are: spanish, zulu, french, ottomans, indians, greece, americans, romans.

@col: in the tournament everybody is forced to play different styles. Here I learned to be more offensive and less a peacefull builder. But you only know which approach to take when you know the map. And with an expasionist civ you know the map much faster...

HAPPY NEW YEAR and may this game this year be as much fun to play as it was last year ;)
 
Originally posted by ERIKK

@col: we know the civs, I have posted the standings/score twice! The civs are: spanish, zulu, french, ottomans, indians, greece, americans, romans.
Doh

@col: in the tournament everybody is forced to play different styles. Here I learned to be more offensive and less a peacefull builder. But you only know which approach to take when you know the map. And with an expasionist civ you know the map much faster...
Yes - it taught me to play a variety of styles. I was never much good as an early rusher until I'd played a few conquest games where a fast finish was everything. I usually compete at Monarch level but play for fun at Emperor. I cant handle deity yet though.
:(
The tournament did so much to help me improve my play that I wanted to get involved to keep it going.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
And a very Happy New Year to one and all.
 
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