[RD] Ancient Philosophy (from Thales to Socrates) discussion thread

[Narz]

Seems like an elitist club where silicon valley nerds save the planet, on the first zoom in.

Someone's got to. Big business won't, governments won't, the public won't. Isn't it every nerds fantasy to save the day and finally get recognized?

 

[Comrade Ceasefire]

Isn't it every nerds fantasy to save the day and finally get recognized?

Steady on, Narz!
I just expect to gain some tiny insights into the structure of the universe using logic and computational maths.
Humans are a temporary phenomenon. The future of the world is more likely to be viral, bacterial and the family Formicidae, not homo sapiens.

 

[Narz]

Steady on, Narz!

lol

Humans are a temporary phenomenon. The future of the world is more likely to be viral, bacterial and the family Formicidae, not homo sapiens.

Or digital, no way flesh & blood will colonize further than a few light seconds away

 

[Moriarte]

The three main types of ancient Greek philosophy are: Physical (to do with phenomena in the material world), Ethical (about theories on how to better live) and Dialectic (about notions and what it means to think).

If I may steer this thread back into initial canvas - I have question for Kyriakos or anyone willing to contemplate.

From my brief encounter with socialist thinkers I understood dialectic type of logic as an object moving through space-time, which slowly sheds information and also slowly gains information. Under the pressure of reality, under the weight of contradictions that, which isn't needed, crumbles away, that which is precious and stands the test of time - stays. This is the general gist of dialectic materialism (if I even understood it correctly). What interests me is the roots of such thinking in Ancient Greek philosophy. What route did the human Thought took to arrive, eventually, at that particular realisation. Who were the founding fathers of that lineage. I'd appreciate if you hand wave me in a general direction or particular works of philosophers of old, I would like to explore this facet in leisure time.

Thanks.

 

[Kyriakos]

If I may steer this thread back into initial canvas - I have question for Kyriakos or anyone willing to contemplate.

From my brief encounter with socialist thinkers I understood dialectic type of logic as an object moving through space-time, which slowly sheds information and also slowly gains information. Under the pressure of reality, under the weight of contradictions that, which isn't needed, crumbles away, that which is precious and stands the test of time - stays. This is the general gist of dialectic materialism (if I even understood it correctly). What interests me is the roots of such thinking in Ancient Greek philosophy. What route did the human Thought took to arrive, eventually, at that particular realisation. Who were the founding fathers of that lineage. I'd appreciate if you hand wave me in a general direction or particular works of philosophers of old, I would like to explore this facet in leisure time.

Thanks.

I am not the one to answer that, but afaik the use of the term in Marx etc comes primarily from Hegel's own theory of dialectics, although Marx I think did write in university about the ancient Greek philosophers (but those texts by Marx aren't considered high brow in philosophy).
Dialectics certainly comes from the term dialegomai, which means to converse. The process can acquire similarities to a sieve, with choosing and refining etc. A second branch of meanings of the term in Greek specifically refers to "choosing".

 

[Plotinus]

Yes, the notion of dialectic as a dynamic process is Hegelian. I don’t think you’ll find it in ancient or even medieval thinkers.