Anno Domini - a full mod from R8XFT

[Snorken]

Embyrodead already made a Amazon leaderhead....

But Embryodead's LH looks completely different, since it's for the WH Amazons and they live in the jungle...I think it just wouldn't fit in this mod...

Edit: I just noticed R8XFT's Amazon leaderhead has a jungle background, but Embryodead's Amazon leaderhead gots a jaguar skin on her, so i think R8's still much better!

 

[Xen]

The Amazons originally came from the Caucasus, but later spread to areas like Libya and Anatolia...

I dont think you quiter understand- regardless of amazons or no amazons (note, they did not actually exist, more on that later) the berber were "white" (causcasian) any way

that said, the amazaons as myth would properlly label them, never existed-the Skythian and other seminomadic tribes had a history fo women warriors, yes yes- but not a femal dominated society

the same sort of thing goes for Africa, where amazaon tribes are recorded as well- except thier, thier really were socieities that while not having strict female dominace, females coudl occupy a more important role- Nubia, Axum, and Ethiopea are all fairlly good examples of this (beware the google search- afrocentric sties woudl have to be,live queen sof Numbia marched on Rome itself, when they managed to repel 3 auxilliary cohorts from soem fo the worst legions in legions empire)

however, these two socities not only were not connected, but were vastlly different in all other traditions, an dlife styles from eahc other

 

[Ur Mum]

ok. i going mad. there is no african worker/settler in TAM. i just got confused with the african warrior. sorry guys. i think i need more caffine.

 

[Xen]

@R8XFT - I almost forgot- your amazon shoudl have a desert background behind her, assumign your putting them in north africa; the Roman north african amazons were at the very cusp of the habitable med sea area of the sahra; as such she shold also have soem semi-nomadic berber garb on.

 

[Plotinus]

@Plotinus/Ur Mum - the settler/worker is not in the version of TAM I've got (for C3C) - and I uploaded the most recent version this morning. Perhaps I could take you up on the offer of sending it to me, Plontinus - even better, maybe you could post it in the units section of the forum for everyone to download?

Wilco. It must wait until tonight or (probably) tomorrow morning as I obviously don't have him at work, but I'll post him in the units section together with a plea for the creator to identify himself or herself!

 

[JaseEmtP]

woooooohoooo
this looks great. I cant wait to get my hands on this.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

@R8XFT - I almost forgot- your amazon shoudl have a desert background behind her, assumign your putting them in north africa; the Roman north african amazons were at the very cusp of the habitable med sea area of the sahra; as such she shold also have soem semi-nomadic berber garb on.

@Xen - the Amazon keeps the background. I love it . You had your say with the Roman leaderhead .

@Phsyco - Embryodead is one of my favourite creators and I nearly had his Amazon leaderhead in this mod. The only thing stopping me was that I decided that all the non-Fireaxis leaderheads were going to be ones I created.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I wonder what made you want to make a mod R8XFT..I didn't think you were into modmaking after our last project.

 

[Snorken]

I dont think you quiter understand- regardless of amazons or no amazons (note, they did not actually exist, more on that later) the berber were "white" (causcasian) any way

that said, the amazaons as myth would properlly label them, never existed-the Skythian and other seminomadic tribes had a history fo women warriors, yes yes- but not a femal dominated society

the same sort of thing goes for Africa, where amazaon tribes are recorded as well- except thier, thier really were socieities that while not having strict female dominace, females coudl occupy a more important role- Nubia, Axum, and Ethiopea are all fairlly good examples of this (beware the google search- afrocentric sties woudl have to be,live queen sof Numbia marched on Rome itself, when they managed to repel 3 auxilliary cohorts from soem fo the worst legions in legions empire)

however, these two socities not only were not connected, but were vastlly different in all other traditions, an dlife styles from eahc other

You're right Xen... I didn't quite understand... I know white people are called caucausians, but i thought you were talking about Berbers coming from Caucasus (maybe they did, i don't know)... So i just wanted to mention that the Amazons came from the Caucasus...

Now, about the Amazons existense:
No one really knows if the Amazons existed or not... A Greek historian, Plutarch, believed they were just women fighting along side men... Another greek historian, Herodotus, believed they did exist...

Embryodead is one of my favourite creators too, R8XFT (i really love the WH mod!), but i think your Amazon leaderhead looks much nicer than his and i think it fits better in this mod... But that's just what i think, everybody else can think whatever they want...

 

[onedreamer]

Just a thought - could Salt mining come in at the end of the Ancient age with mining as a pre-requisite and flagged "not required for era advancement?" It would lead to salt as a luxury and the possibility of a salt-mine for extra production for the city, but the salt mine only being available if there is salt in the city radius.

If Salt mining were moved to the ancient era, what other trade or luxury item could fit into the "Anno Domini" age?

well either late ancient or early classical. I would give a salt mine a commercial bonus rather than production. It's not like salt helps in production... but there was a lot of commerce of salt going on. About which luxury to add in the Anno Domini age... well I'm not sure, especially since I don't know which all other luxs are
In the Rise of Rome age I would put marble, if not before.

About which Civs to add... well it depends from what you want. If you want to fill an hypotetical geographical map, or if you want to be original and put civs other mods like TAM didn't, etc...
Btw I would rename Celts as Gauls. Because Celts is a very general term... and you have other celtic civs in the mod. Vercingetorix was Gaul
About Rome... I would never choose Trajan as roman leader, sigh sob. I would have picked someone more political, he was more of a military leader, that's why the helmet in your LH fits well . But I won't insist too much, or Xen will become mad and start a kilometric thread

Psycho, most european and middle eastern populations came from caucasus or mixed with caucasian nomads. That's why the race is called caucasian.

 

[Xen]

@Xen - the Amazon keeps the background. I love it . You had your say with the Roman leaderhead .

hey, I'm not the one who wants to make a scenario/mod based on real life history- I'm simpley tellign you the knowldge which i know to be true to that end, if you want the amazons presented in a well bearing, realisitc context, you have the basis for it; if you want to make a fantasy civlization mixed in with an otherwise fantastic historical mod, you can do that too- again, I'm just telling the stuff I know to be true, as it woudl help in the endevor to make the scenario perfect, in both playability, and history (I dotn know why people say the two cant coexist, not only can they, but they can be melded together perfectlly, givin the right set up)

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

hey, I'm not the one who wants to make a scenario/mod based on real life history- I'm simpley tellign you the knowldge which i know to be true to that end, if you want the amazons presented in a well bearing, realisitc context, you have the basis for it; if you want to make a fantasy civlization mixed in with an otherwise fantastic historical mod, you can do that too- again, I'm just telling the stuff I know to be true, as it woudl help in the endevor to make the scenario perfect, in both playability, and history (I dotn know why people say the two cant coexist, not only can they, but they can be melded together perfectlly, givin the right set up)

I like the leaderhead and the background, so it stays. I'm not going to get worried about whether or not the Amazons existed - it's a fun addition to the game in my opinion. There must have been a similar tribe, living in similar environments, but we lack the historical records to know things such as leader names, place names etc. I'd like this leaderhead to represent these people, but can't come up with any tribe other than the Amazons to represent these people. If anyone can come up with a better alternative for this leaderhead, please let me know.
It's one of thirty-one civs in the game. I'm sure it won't spoil the enjoyment too much .

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

I wonder what made you want to make a mod R8XFT..I didn't think you were into modmaking after our last project.

I was into modmaking on my own, as a sole project . I find it easier to work on my own, no offence intended.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

well either late ancient or early classical. I would give a salt mine a commercial bonus rather than production. It's not like salt helps in production... but there was a lot of commerce of salt going on. About which luxury to add in the Anno Domini age... well I'm not sure, especially since I don't know which all other luxs are
In the Rise of Rome age I would put marble, if not before.

About which Civs to add... well it depends from what you want. If you want to fill an hypotetical geographical map, or if you want to be original and put civs other mods like TAM didn't, etc...
Btw I would rename Celts as Gauls. Because Celts is a very general term... and you have other celtic civs in the mod. Vercingetorix was Gaul
About Rome... I would never choose Trajan as roman leader, sigh sob. I would have picked someone more political, he was more of a military leader, that's why the helmet in your LH fits well . But I won't insist too much, or Xen will become mad and start a kilometric thread

Psycho, most european and middle eastern populations came from caucasus or mixed with caucasian nomads. That's why the race is called caucasian.

Thanks for the feedback! I was thinking about having the Gauls, and yes, I could change Celts to Gauls. I have a city list available (thanks to Thamis ). I can find a space for salt mining right at the end of the ancient age. Marble comes in at the ancient age at the moment as a pre-requisite to the temple of Artemis. That could be changed.

Maybe I could put in some sort of crafted furniture making in the Anno Domini age?

 

[Plotinus]

I've posted that African Settler conversion in the Units forum. Of course there's also a colour conversion of the standard Settler and Worker knocking around somewhere.

I notice, too, that Civ Army has done a unit that could pass as an African worker in pinch as well - the second one in this post - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2163178&postcount=5

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Using Native Americans as Africans....bad Plotinus...bad...

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Actually, the settler and worker aren't bad at all, and are the best of what's available for African settlers. I'd still like to have authentic units though.

Also, I've had a thought; maybe I should change things around a little so that the last era actually covers up to about 500-600AD. That way, I could bring in some of my 5th Century leaderheads (and update them). It'll mean a real re-think, but should be worth it. Your thoughts? What techs should go in the final age if I did swap things around?

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

If I do change the mod to encompass the extra couple of centuries, then these are likely to be the 31 civs:

Africa
Amazons
Ethiopia
Nok
Nubia

Asian
Harrapans
Huns
India
Qin
Tibet

European
Gauls
Iceni
Picts
Saxons
Visigoths

Mediterranean
Carthage
Delian League
Etruscans
Illyria
Macedonia
Minoa
Palmyra
Rome
Sparta
Troy

Middle-East
Assyria
Babylon
Egypt
Hittites
Israel
Nabateans
Persia

I've placed the Amazons in the African category for city graphics only - they'll get their own set of units - there's plenty available, even a settler .

 

[onedreamer]

Thanks for the feedback! I was thinking about having the Gauls, and yes, I could change Celts to Gauls. I have a city list available (thanks to Thamis ). I can find a space for salt mining right at the end of the ancient age. Marble comes in at the ancient age at the moment as a pre-requisite to the temple of Artemis. That could be changed.

Maybe I could put in some sort of crafted furniture making in the Anno Domini age?

What about glass ?

If you add Amazons, why not throw in some more mythology with Atlantis ? It's my idea that the Odyssey is actually an old tale from this civilization. The scientists determined that the distance between islands and seas described in the Odyssey, which never matched with the ones in the Mediterranean, actually matches with the islands in the northern and baltic seas, where the civ. of Atlantis is supposed to come from...

 

[pinktilapia]

Oh oh, be careful starting a discussion on the location of Atlantis on a thread visited by Xen it is going to be bloody...