Another Cold Rehash, er The Last Jedi, for those who have seen it (SPOILERS).

Padme's outfit in the Coliseum is the best thing AotC has going for it, so you got me there ;)
Oh man... you forgot about this one:

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And this one:

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and this one:

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and this one:

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Absolutely nothing cringe-worthy about those ;)... But yeah... the one in the Colosseum is a damn fine one too... especially once that beast "accidentally" rips off the torso, turning it into a tummy shirt, and then she is somehow forced to rip off the sleeves, turning it into sort of a baby tee. :smug:

Anyway... Here's the whole AotC list... enjoy:
Spoiler :
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Midriff > decolletage. But it's close.

Isn't the "single small fighter takes out surface stuff on giant ship" a pretty tried-and-true space battle trope? I remember in MOO3, you had to stock your massive battleships with tiny point defense ships to fly out and shoot down enemy missiles and fighters that your large guns were too unwieldy to hit.

Also wasn't there a popular movie where a single small fighter blew up a giant, moon-sized space station? Didn't even use his aiming computer? What movie was that again??
 
Midriff > decolletage.
Agree to disagree... that fireplace dress is epic.
Isn't the "single small fighter takes out surface stuff on giant ship" a pretty tried-and-true space battle trope? I remember in MOO3, you had to stock your massive battleships with tiny point defense ships to fly out and shoot down enemy missiles and fighters that your large guns were too unwieldy to hit.

Also wasn't there a popular movie where a single small fighter blew up a giant, moon-sized space station? Didn't even use his aiming computer? What movie was that again??
Indeed... and I quote (off the top of my head)... :
Officer: "but they're so small they're evading our turbo laZers"
Vader: "We'll have to destroy them ship to ship... get the crews to their fighters"

In other words... Poe, the "Best pilot in the Resistance" (as stated by Kylo Ren in TFA),being able to shoot down the Dreadnought's deck canons is a pretty easy sell in the Star Wars universe... and frankly, a guy doubting the "realism" of that makes me doubt whether the guy is actually familiar with Star Wars... I mean that opening sequence was so consistent with canon it hurts.

In any case...frankly... I'm not a Navy man but I doubt the deck guns of a Battleship or Aircraft Carrier are any use against Fighter jets... just sayin'...
 
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It looked stupid on the face of it. But I haven't been able to convince anyone how dumb salt skimmers are either
 
Oh, the skimmers are dumb. But they do a good job of evoking how hopeless the fight is : completely outdated trash from forgotten wars, taken into battle because it's all that's available.
 
People are gonna like what they're gonna like. I can't even watch Attack of the Clones because the "love" story is so cringeworthy, but if one didn't find that so revolting, I can see where the movie is fun, even though it's terrible. There's no sin in liking a bad movie as long as one doesn't insist on saying it's good, and Padme's outfit in the Coliseum is the best thing AotC has going for it, so you got me there ;)
That is why I don't support reinstating the death penalty for Star Trek watchers.
Ah ah ah, no no no:nono:... go back and watch the scene... the whole time, she either has Wookie arm-snatching-out-of-their-sockets hands around her neck, and/or the super-powered Wookie-Crossbow pointed at her (which I doubt her armor would save her from), and/or someone's blaster pointed either straight at her neck, between the metal plating of her armor, or actually under her helmet, directly at her head/neck... go back and see for yourself...
I know this isn't exactly what you're talking about... but about the jokes... go back and watch TFA and you'll remember that TFA opens up with Poe doing stand-up comedy mocking Kylo Ren... it seems like its kinda his thing... and a theme of this trilogy... I guess we'll see if they stick with it in IX. :)
How can I go back and watch the scene? I'd have to pay for Triple-Premium-Deluxe Cable services for that. But I'll take you word for it, as there are no lasers or raisins involved.

Even so, why is such a high-ranking official patrolling completely alone?
I'm not a Navy man but I doubt the deck guns of a Battleship or Aircraft Carrier
Deck guns. On an aircraft carrier. Right.
So far the only thing clear to me is that I seem to disagree with every single Star Wars fans about some part of the movie.
Stop stealing my lines!
 
Well, technically deck gun are a submarine thing. But putting that aside, a carrier with a main gun battery is not ENTIRELY unheard of - the four Washington Treaty carrier conversion (Lex and Sara on the US side, Akagi and Kaga for the Japanese) all packed heavy cruiser grade main batteries, though the US ones eventually lost them).

In energy-weapon-centric Space Warfare, though, the carrier-battleship hybrid is actually an eminently reasonable concept (in so far as space fighters are reasonable at all, which is a conceit we must accept in Star Wars)
 
AotC is easily the worst-shot and worst edited of the prequels.

It’s soooooooooooooooooooo boring.

TPM has some serious flaws in its plot structure and pacing, and embodies all the problems Lucas had been cultivating over the past decade re: cluttering the frame, but at the very least he hadn’t completely given up yet. TPM feels like a movie Lucas actually wanted to make. AotC and RotS are totally phoned in. It’s like Lucas challenged himself to make the most uncinematic, least ideas-y movies he could possibly come up with.

And I hate Auteur theory. But these were written, produced, directed, and (most crucially) edited by Lucas, so there you go.
 
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Obviously the gold suit is meant to single her out. But it gives us 0 information as to why exactly she's singled out. It doesn't give us any information about what this significance might be. This is obviously in stark contrast to Bobba Fett who we are told is a bounty hunter. 100% specific information compared to the incredibly vague "well she's special in some way"

I mean, for all we know the gold outfit is a punishment. Or it's a signal that she's a moron and doesn't know how to dress in battle. Or she's just a rich socialite who ended up in the position because of her daddy. It could be so many different things compared to "Well yeah that guy is bounty hunter. There you have it"

There's supplemental material out there that gives Phasma's backstory and explains her armor. Basically, she grew up on a post-apocalyptic planet and was pretty much like a raider from Fallout. As such,she was always on the hunt for better weapons and gear to improve her standing and chances of survival. The armor she wears is made from panels of a First Order ship that crashed on her planet.

That story also goes to show that Phasma has no real loyalty to the First Order. She is only loyal to herself and will fight for whoever she deems is the strongest faction and is most likely to win. That's why she shut down the shield to Starkiller base without so much as an argument once her life was threatened. To her, preserving her own life was worth way more than the lives of everyone else on the Starkiller base.
 
j.J. loves you , CFC guys ...




while it's a bad thing , calling people names in places they don't even know , it can not be really helped , right ? Let's see the hands , people , who's in agreement with the proposition that

<as well as a daring, ticking-clock on-board mission ... with Ackbar-rattling tension> which ı take to be the hacking operation on the orc's ship .

<Luke’s failure to properly train his nephew—thus giving rise to Kylo Ren—has prompted him to essentially tune out the Force, and to turn against his once-idealistic, hubristic former Jedi self. > Hubris should be like being assured of victory , ignoring threats big and small and now that Disney wants all those 260 or so books about Luke invalid and stuff , at least according to the claims of active Luke people , must have happened on film . As he is called a Jedi like only by one , then this must be where he looks rather scared against the Rancor or feeling lonely when the space kermit disappears into thin air or crying daddy onboard the Death Star . Though ı will have to concede the point about surrendering on Endor , but then he had lost only his hand on Bespin and only because he wasn't listening .

<he gets one of the movie’s biggest laughs before uttering a single line>Maybe ı was too surprised but somehow ı don't remember much laughter even if there were only 20 people in , but anyhow as well .

< the seat-levitatingly awesome third-act dogfight>Hmm , problematical again . being a propellerhead am so inclined to fancy that is the TIE's vs skimmers , though Millennium Falcon indeed arrives ...

<It’s a movie that lures you in with the familiar and the beloved, only to instead turn into something wiser, deeper, and more true than you could have ever guessed. It’s a trap, and a near-perfect one at that.>Yeah , whatever ...


like everybody understands the times change , like 35 years since ı sat on the stairs watching Leia save Luke under the Cloud City , waiting people to leave so that ı could get a seat . Was barely out of primary school , my classmates who married and stuff might have starting to see their kids graduating from university . Even has no issues with some guy being the leader of the pack of his times , but . Was Spielberg ever this annoying ? Aping the OT , down to changing directors in the middle , to get a wildly "different" , kinda "deeper" movie . And yeah , also wiser and more true . Nobody will stop people making a better Star Wars movie than Lucas , the one guy who (like by consensus) did wasn't , right ? But a lot have changed in the century that passed between ? Oh why , the bomber girl should have had a smart phone , instead of that stupid red button , of the kind you would actually press to stop bombs from falling in the first place ! So that she could download an app from the web and right on ! Stupid Disney , can not manage internet connection in mere orbit ! Oh wait , Supreme Leader Snoke cuts down the connection . Oh , what drama , what realism , as everybody can actually relate to the dreaded lack of connections . Irrefutable proof on screen , not in the platitudes of some movie critic , who might be receiving Disney money even .

star Wars scrambles sensors , just like it jams communications , failing all that the Jedi have handwaving . No cloaks here , apart from as a fashion thing . No Romulans , no Klingons . The Trekization of this franchise will cease ; despite my , don't know , even love for the former . Oh , the fun , if Luke learned from Khan and beamed himself in Earth to Chronos multiplied by 5 like and we learned it wasn't just a dream from the dice ? Previously hanging in the Falcon's cockpit ? Oh , the fun , if Poe was indeed surprised and asking how Luke came in ? Oh , the fun , if Rey found no gaps and bore a tunnel into the mountain ? Stupid Disney , why not just ape Val Kilmer in that movie where he tries to save a professor and the professor has already dug one for himself ? You know , two or four lanes , asphalt covered as well ? Please , don't have Rey parting the Red Sea , will be hard to defend , even with the Ridley Factor ...

talking of which ... This sounds to be real and stuff:

"It's me Shatner. I just wanted to say hi, and tell you guys the last jedi indeed was bad. We have had this banter rivalry with Star Wars for ages, but this was the first time I saw Mark truly depressed about what they did with luke.

If they took Kirk made him a crying coward who sells out best friends and dies for nothing at all I suppose I would be mad too."


not being on the web everyday has its disadvantages , like having to save the thread and read it later , meaning any contribution like comes so late . Skimmers vs the bombard and the like tactics . The ones that might have turned the Clones already against their Jedi generals ...

well , the tactics in Phantom Menace are , yes , good . Droids commanded a far , saves tons of processor time if those boxes of droids indeed move as one . And take individual aim and whatnot . Droids are cheap , any losses will be made good , their casualties do not count in a sense . Gungans , likewise . Sitting under the shield , protected from heavy fire . And their close order allows them to use personal shields . Even their catapults make sense , every blaster bolt they miss the droids with will hit the shield instead , weakening it . As soon as the shields are down , they run . Attack of the Clones . 500 Jedis in one place . Why , they are not like expecting to fight . No planet has seen 500 jedis on mission , them Bugs , would give up immediately , unless assured by the presence of the Sith on their back . Then the Clones arrive and soundly kick the backside of the Seperatists . We don't see close packed Clones , maybe except in early deployment , coming out of the transports and the like . The last of the prequels definitely shows Adi Ki Mundi , ahead of his troops , deflecting bolts . Saving lives of his troops . There ain't much place on a bridge to deploy . Then the cartoons . Maybe not meant but at least justified by the line "for the kids" . 10 year olds are not expected to understand they should disperse under fire ? But good for story telling . If more than half the Clones fall under enemy fire , the kid understands the casualties are heavy . If just one or two , Obi Wan or Anakin won a great victory . And for every legion of Clones marching into the meat grinder , there is another episode where the troops fight seperately , take to the ground , set up ambushes or patrol to avoid ambushes .

crait ? Ah , 13 volunteers flying in a straight line against a battleline of stuff . And if walkers are meant to penetrate theater shields and there are those "legs" like 11 ahead and 10 behind as much as we would have trains of oxen to pull ours from Edirne to Istanbul in 1453 , what's it with the gun ? Didn't see wheels , right ? Back to volunteers . See , to justify the yuge gun on the AT6Ms , they have added extra surface to the front legs . One shot should have retired Poe , Finn , Rose and that 10 immediately from the films . Look , ı have more than 6 "degrees" of myopia in one eye , even more in the other . Give me a Maxim type gun , Vickers or MG08 perhaps and set me up high on one of those walkers with one belt of 200 and merely ever having fired 3 rounds in my entire life , ı promise ı'd inflict more casualties than the neo Space Nazis . As already noticed by so many , the volunteers are not even at full speed , as proven by Finn taken out by Rose after curving to one side and cutting across . The volunteers do not even send one or two ahead , to raise that smokescreen , to keep the ones behind comparatively safe . Short of cloning the old cast , there is no alternative but a fresh take , but war movies and the like should have come a long way , right ? Hence , tactically ridiculous indeed ... Should people look forward to IX where the Rebels form a circle and AT6Ms run circles around , perhaps shooting arrows inside ?

now Boba Fett time , having checked the thread . Back in 1982 ı had no idea what was happening and why he appeared when Han tricked the Stardestroyer and he was there on Bespin . Only when he took the carbonite Han and he was chased and all that . And no issues when "he died" . But in 2018 , people should really stop claiming that George Lucas had not mapped the first 3 , before he started the second 3 . Maybe Jango Fett was not the source material for the Clones , maybe he wasn't Boba's father , maybe his name wasn't Jango , but Boba hated Jedis , as we saw in that 40 pointless minutes and he disintegrated them whenever possible . And the only value of Han and even Leia is that Luke will come to them . All 3 are required to be alive , one to turn and two as live bait . Fett can't be a failure , considering who is the premier Jedi Hunter of those days .
 
Deck guns. On an aircraft carrier. Right.
I'm going to introduce you to a new phrase... "Google and apologize"... you say the whole thing together... like "repeal and replace" or "a tribe called quest"... So here's the Google:

Deck guns on the USS Independence (WWII Aircraft Carrier):

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Now you apologize... go ahead, it will make you feel good ;)
How can I go back and watch the scene? I'd have to pay for Triple-Premium-Deluxe Cable services for that.
Are you saying that you don't own a copy of the movie on DVD/Blu Ray?!? :eek: I mean I knew you were a heretic because of the raisins... but this is just... dude, for the sake of your immortal soul you need to get on Amazon immediately and rectify this travesty... Anyway, since I love you and am such a nice guy... here ya go:


As an aside... the Rey parentage issue is actually addressed in TFA... because Maz tells her that she already knows the truth... that her parents are never coming back to Jakku for her. So that is a hint that her parents are no good bums that we all mostly just ignored.
She is only loyal to herself and will fight for whoever she deems is the strongest faction and is most likely to win. That's why she shut down the shield to Starkiller base without so much as an argument once her life was threatened. To her, preserving her own life was worth way more than the lives of everyone else on the Starkiller base.
Also... Wookies are known to tear peoples arms out of their sockets... but yeah, everything you say is correct.
In energy-weapon-centric Space Warfare, though, the carrier-battleship hybrid is actually an eminently reasonable concept (in so far as space fighters are reasonable at all, which is a conceit we must accept in Star Wars)
In the X Universe they are called "Capital Ships", but yep, what is called a Imperial "Cruiser" or "Destroyer" in Star Wars is more like a battleship/carrier hybrid.
AotC is easily the worst-shot and worst edited of the prequels. It’s soooooooooooooooooooo boring.
No love for the Padme Fashion?:sad: She wears like 10 Prom Dresses in the movie!
 
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every thing for its era . Those hundreds of guns on carriers of WW II entirely ripped apart Japanese attacks , despite the "improved" efficiency through Kamikazes . Hundreds of guns on Japanese carriers did nothing of the sort , because USN fighter cover in offence or defence was too much . When fighter jets are introduced into the equation , well , ship people will mention the likes of AEGIS .

so , no fighter cover for Fulminatrix , only because everybody wears dark green is an idiot , except the officer named after the boss , and so few guns . Have it covered , but people are like feeling incredible . Nobody ever stops people from making better SW movies , too .
 
There certainly are potential counters for those strategy.

Starting with, the most effective, *scattering*. Starships are fast moving, and hyperspace jumps follow precise vectors. In the space of the minute or more required to undertake hyperspace calculations, a tightly grouped First Order formation can spread out, greatly limiting the impact of a rebel ship suicide run. Sure, the big ship still probably get cut in two (because it's THAT enormous, and hard to move out of the way), but a lot more of the smaller ships survive - and those smaller ships are themselves 3+ kilometers behemoths that severely outgun the remaining resistance ships. This makes the strategy highly inadvisable against a fleet that doesn't include a 60-kilometers behemoth (like Snoke's flagship), since smaller ships can in fact just scatter out of your way. Since there are very few ships that big (really, the two Death Stars and Snoke's flagship are the long and short list of it) in the galaxy, that severely limits the strategy, right there.

Yeah but as I've already said... if you can force the enemy fleet to scatter at will, that's still incredibly useful isn't it? I mean it effectively stops the enemy forces ever concentrating in one cluster. In fact I'd argue that you'd never even see them doing this as it would quickly become obvious that it's a stupid and pointless thing to do. So the question in that case would be why do we see them doing this?

I also don't buy that you need any real time to perform lightspeed calculations when you're not actually trying to get anywhere and not worried about "bouncing too close to a supernova". I mean we already saw with the Millennium Falcon that you don't have to wait for the calculations to be completed. If your only concern is to slam into the thing right in front of you then what's stopping you just engaging the drive? Yes I'll buy that you would have to get within a certain minimum distance so you can hit within the acceleration phase, but that seems to be doable and I can't see any reason why that would require complex calculations.

There is also the fact that slowing down to prepare its hyperspace jump then turning around put the cruiser within firing range of the First Order warships. With a minute of sustained fire, they could do significant damage (witness how quickly the other two resistance ships go down when they fall within First Order firing range), and quite possibly prevent the suicide run altogether by disabling or destroying the ship.

If someone with a rifle see you get a rocket launcher out, they can shoot you before you get off your shot. Especially if the rocket launcher need a minute to fire.

Hmm... if only there was some on-screen evidence to show that you can actually pull off this manouevre without getting shot down...
 
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Agree to disagree... that fireplace dress is epic.

Posed, maybe. But in the Coliseum, she's skittering around, climbing, jumping . . . it's confident, sultry, catlike, and the bare midriff just pops. When stupid whiney pajama boy Anakin is all like, "But but but master what about Padme??" and she's already gotten out of her restraints and climbed up her pillar? It's all about confidence, baby, and in that scene she's got it in spades.
 
There's supplemental material out there that gives Phasma's backstory and explains her armor. Basically, she grew up on a post-apocalyptic planet and was pretty much like a raider from Fallout. As such,she was always on the hunt for better weapons and gear to improve her standing and chances of survival. The armor she wears is made from panels of a First Order ship that crashed on her planet.

That story also goes to show that Phasma has no real loyalty to the First Order. She is only loyal to herself and will fight for whoever she deems is the strongest faction and is most likely to win. That's why she shut down the shield to Starkiller base without so much as an argument once her life was threatened. To her, preserving her own life was worth way more than the lives of everyone else on the Starkiller base.
^This. But you only know that if you buy the DLC supplementary materials.

‘If you want the plot to make sense, you'd better buy the books and comics!’
I'm going to introduce you to a new phrase... "Google and apologize"... you say the whole thing together... like "repeal and replace" or "a tribe called quest"... So here's the Google:

Deck guns on the USS Independence (WWII Aircraft Carrier):

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Now you apologize... go ahead, it will make you feel good ;)
Well, see here:
technically deck gun are a submarine thing
I accept your apologies in advance.

Evie said:
In energy-weapon-centric Space Warfare, though, the carrier-battleship hybrid is actually an eminently reasonable concept (in so far as space fighters are reasonable at all, which is a conceit we must accept in Star Wars)
Typo or slip?

Anyway, anybody who's played Freespace knows what an absolute necessity dogfighting in interplanetary space is.
Are you saying that you don't own a copy of the movie on DVD/Blu Ray?!? :eek: I mean I knew you were a heretic because of the raisins... but this is just... dude, for the sake of your immortal soul you need to get on Amazon immediately and rectify this travesty... Anyway, since I love you and am such a nice guy... here ya go:
Here… oh no you didn't, you Greedo fanboy.

And no, I don't have an Amazon account. And I don't live in the U.S. of A.
And I like raisins. I ate some yesterday and will eat more today. Is there anything else to which I need to reply?
 
There's supplemental material out there that gives Phasma's backstory and explains her armor. Basically, she grew up on a post-apocalyptic planet and was pretty much like a raider from Fallout. As such,she was always on the hunt for better weapons and gear to improve her standing and chances of survival. The armor she wears is made from panels of a First Order ship that crashed on her planet.

That story also goes to show that Phasma has no real loyalty to the First Order. She is only loyal to herself and will fight for whoever she deems is the strongest faction and is most likely to win. That's why she shut down the shield to Starkiller base without so much as an argument once her life was threatened. To her, preserving her own life was worth way more than the lives of everyone else on the Starkiller base.

I mean, it would have been a neat thing to add into the movie to give her a bit more depth. But they didn't.. so she remains depthless and a prop. If they end up growing her character a bit in the next movie I'll be all for it. But I won't care if it's written down in some "supplemental material booklet". I'm in the theatre to watch movies, not read farmer's almanacs
 
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