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Giaur
War Dancer
lilnev: liberalism, nice. I will check your save, I am just curious how you dealed with that start ...
All: The role of a nanny is just something I am not comfortable with
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All: The role of a nanny is just something I am not comfortable with
(that's why this topic failed) ...Giaur
War Dancer
@lilnev:
Suleiman's production is double of yours, but I think you can handle with that. It would be good to avoid late-war. Artllery is very annoying unit, only marines¶troopers&tanks can handle with that. Cannons, catapults are not dangerous - they are deffensive stacks - they are moving into position where you are massing your troops, but do few colleteral damage. Your fish-sheep city is placed on hills and it will probably become Suleiman's target. The good thing is that Caesar is ready to go to war with Suleiman, despite he is friendly towards Suleiman. Education is not enough, but perhaps Education&Military Tradicion will do. Caesar knows Nationalism and does not want to trade it, but it's sure that after completing Taj Mahal, he will agree. I relied once that AI researches Military Tradition and I will get it from him (tech-trade), but this strategy fails, when we are talking about critical techs (m.tradition, rifling, assembly line, industrialism). It's always better research it yourself. It might be that ceasar will research it too, but it's no big deal. Only one great person was born - that might be bad, but might be good too. Perhaps adopt caste and run 3-4 merchants in a desired city. You do not whip too much, anyway - your cities are big. In the same time make way towards rifling. There is a chance to bribe Caesar to war against Suleiman , soon after that attack Suleiman. Vassals might be a problem, but their main purpose is pillaging your countryside, nothing else. They are usually afraid to enter your countryside. If their power is strong, they will send a stack, but you can builds walls/castles in your most exposed city earlier. They will not attack before the deffense is down. That time you can use to move your troops and stregthten the garrison. After vassal's stack is destroyed, it will take a lot of time, till he builds another one that might be a threat. Perhaps take Suleiman's city and leave it undefended, he will be capturing this city all the time, but few troops will decide to attack your stack. When war takes long time, be prepared to face massive stack of catapults - but ... what catapults can really do? The main problem is war weariness - that's something I do not know the clue for. The good thing is that you grabbed liberalism first, the other continent is backwards - always IQ continent is ahead in science - I wonder why. Do not stop war till all conquered cities are not exposed to rival's culture, cause there would be no use of these cities. Most important thing is to upgrade your muskets to rifles during wartime. It's not so easy afterall. Suleiman's power is strong. And rifles are far away. You must attack Suleiman before he upgrades catapults to cannons and muskets, longbows to rifles. That's the whole point. He might have rifles when he lost f.e. 3 cities. Rifles are no longer a threat then. Also be prepared to face Grenadiers, so some Curraisiers would counter such resistance. Resistance - cause you must not allow the situation, that he has 15 grenadiers. Befere military science, rifling, steel is in, Suleiman must be dissarmed. Perhaps running specialists in one more city would do fine. Golden age would be helpful.
The points are:
1) military alliance
2) declaring war not too early and not too late. The same goes about signing military alliance. I would say 8 turns before you know rifling, would be okay. After that, Suleiman will be dissarmed (except his siege weapons) and your units should be healed. Off course do not send your troops outside your borders
3) great merchant will help with upgrading your troops
4) research path - maybe Printing Press->Military Tradition or PP->RP
5) Avoid growth in your cities - they are big anyway, start working mines, perhaps Nationhood,Teocracy. Perhaps civic switch 10-12 turns before you know rifling. This means 2-4 turns before declaring war. You can move your drafted muskets in that time. And after 'Hell no, we won't go' penalty is gone, Rifling is in. You draft rifles and attack.
With improved AI, numbers win battles. You will never know, if the war is to be won. The shape of your borders can allow Suleiman to take your northern cities, never know. It's good to make the mobile deffense. You can always wait for rifles, before declaring war, but Suleiman can get them too.
Suleiman's production is double of yours, but I think you can handle with that. It would be good to avoid late-war. Artllery is very annoying unit, only marines¶troopers&tanks can handle with that. Cannons, catapults are not dangerous - they are deffensive stacks - they are moving into position where you are massing your troops, but do few colleteral damage. Your fish-sheep city is placed on hills and it will probably become Suleiman's target. The good thing is that Caesar is ready to go to war with Suleiman, despite he is friendly towards Suleiman. Education is not enough, but perhaps Education&Military Tradicion will do. Caesar knows Nationalism and does not want to trade it, but it's sure that after completing Taj Mahal, he will agree. I relied once that AI researches Military Tradition and I will get it from him (tech-trade), but this strategy fails, when we are talking about critical techs (m.tradition, rifling, assembly line, industrialism). It's always better research it yourself. It might be that ceasar will research it too, but it's no big deal. Only one great person was born - that might be bad, but might be good too. Perhaps adopt caste and run 3-4 merchants in a desired city. You do not whip too much, anyway - your cities are big. In the same time make way towards rifling. There is a chance to bribe Caesar to war against Suleiman , soon after that attack Suleiman. Vassals might be a problem, but their main purpose is pillaging your countryside, nothing else. They are usually afraid to enter your countryside. If their power is strong, they will send a stack, but you can builds walls/castles in your most exposed city earlier. They will not attack before the deffense is down. That time you can use to move your troops and stregthten the garrison. After vassal's stack is destroyed, it will take a lot of time, till he builds another one that might be a threat. Perhaps take Suleiman's city and leave it undefended, he will be capturing this city all the time, but few troops will decide to attack your stack. When war takes long time, be prepared to face massive stack of catapults - but ... what catapults can really do? The main problem is war weariness - that's something I do not know the clue for. The good thing is that you grabbed liberalism first, the other continent is backwards - always IQ continent is ahead in science - I wonder why. Do not stop war till all conquered cities are not exposed to rival's culture, cause there would be no use of these cities. Most important thing is to upgrade your muskets to rifles during wartime. It's not so easy afterall. Suleiman's power is strong. And rifles are far away. You must attack Suleiman before he upgrades catapults to cannons and muskets, longbows to rifles. That's the whole point. He might have rifles when he lost f.e. 3 cities. Rifles are no longer a threat then. Also be prepared to face Grenadiers, so some Curraisiers would counter such resistance. Resistance - cause you must not allow the situation, that he has 15 grenadiers. Befere military science, rifling, steel is in, Suleiman must be dissarmed. Perhaps running specialists in one more city would do fine. Golden age would be helpful.
The points are:
1) military alliance
2) declaring war not too early and not too late. The same goes about signing military alliance. I would say 8 turns before you know rifling, would be okay. After that, Suleiman will be dissarmed (except his siege weapons) and your units should be healed. Off course do not send your troops outside your borders
3) great merchant will help with upgrading your troops
4) research path - maybe Printing Press->Military Tradition or PP->RP
5) Avoid growth in your cities - they are big anyway, start working mines, perhaps Nationhood,Teocracy. Perhaps civic switch 10-12 turns before you know rifling. This means 2-4 turns before declaring war. You can move your drafted muskets in that time. And after 'Hell no, we won't go' penalty is gone, Rifling is in. You draft rifles and attack.
With improved AI, numbers win battles. You will never know, if the war is to be won. The shape of your borders can allow Suleiman to take your northern cities, never know. It's good to make the mobile deffense. You can always wait for rifles, before declaring war, but Suleiman can get them too.
@ Giaur: I looked up your new thread. Great! I have enrolled already and am looking forward to a vibrant discussion. 
Actually, I think you are doing quite a good job as "nanny". Perhaps, it just needs a bit more "advertising" to attract more people. 
(Or it was just a matter of timing - quite a number of people seem to be absent from the forums these days.)
@ lilnev: I am impressed by your 1 AD screenshot! You have quite a number of cities and are doing quite well financially. I definitely have to improve my game.
Actually, do you remember when you settled Lalibela? I raced down to settle there (well a little bit more to the south) and was just one turn ahead of Ghandi (I actually saw his settler coming in).
Hope to see you also in the "trash game"-thread.
CellKu
Actually, I think you are doing quite a good job as "nanny".
Perhaps, it just needs a bit more "advertising" to attract more people. (Or it was just a matter of timing - quite a number of people seem to be absent from the forums these days.)@ lilnev: I am impressed by your 1 AD screenshot! You have quite a number of cities and are doing quite well financially. I definitely have to improve my game.
Actually, do you remember when you settled Lalibela? I raced down to settle there (well a little bit more to the south) and was just one turn ahead of Ghandi (I actually saw his settler coming in).
Hope to see you also in the "trash game"-thread.
CellKu
Giaur
War Dancer
@lilnev: I played from your save till 1160AD. Your position seems to be strong enough.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/70897/Giaur_AD-1160.CivBeyondSwordSave
Spoiler :
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/70897/Giaur_AD-1160.CivBeyondSwordSave
Giaur
War Dancer
Spoiler :
