Antifa: There are Monsters Everywhere!!!!

[Kyriakos]

No need to be inaccurate.
In 1932 most Germans did not vote for Hitler.
Please don't let current political prejudices re Germany and the EU distort your view of history.

It's ok, those "most" who didn't vote for him, had no issue with mass murders of civilians in ww2. Nor wish to pay for those.
Maybe keep that also in mind as reason for "prejudices"

 

[Estebonrober]

No need to be german-apologetic
Fact is, they voted for H1tler. Maybe they will repeat that in the future, who knows ^_^*

At any rate the point of this part of the discussion was to show that the fear of violent "leftists" did play a role (in many ways, usually but not always including false-flags).

*as a recent german movie about Hitler returning has him say: "The people like what I say; they just don't like the name Hitler".

Rise of the Nazis | PBS

I suggest watching it if you believe this narrative. It was not near as clear as you seem to think and false flags? Yea there was no shortage of those.

 

[Estebonrober]

It's ok, those "most" who didn't vote for him, had no issue with mass murders of civilians in ww2. Nor wish to pay for those.
Maybe keep that also in mind as reason for "prejudices"

Watch the link above, the truth is after the Storm Troopers had successfully subverted German law by rounding up Communists into camps and then murdering them the population was subdued. I cannot say with so much to lose that I myself might not hush up in the face of so terrible a consequence. I do not think anyone can truly say until they are in the situation themselves.

 

[Kyriakos]

Rise of the Nazis | PBS

I suggest watching it if you believe this narrative. It was not near as clear as you seem to think and false flags? Yea there was no shortage of those.

Certainly after the 1932 elections false flags played a massive role.
Before it, though, the communist fear was not just there for nazi party voters.
Generally it is easy to utilize such fear, when it comes with armed or violent actions. And obviously US now isn't in the state Germany was in the early 30s...

Watch the link above, the truth is after the Storm Troopers had successfully subverted German law by rounding up Communists into camps and then murdering them the population was subdued. I cannot say with so much to lose that I myself might not hush up in the face of so terrible a consequence. I do not think anyone can truly say until they are in the situation themselves.

This is OT, but I alluded to current state of Germany's very official dismissal of having to pay reparations for WW2 to Greece (not even those awarded at the peace conference; let alone for massacres of civilians or a forced loan to ww2 Germany from occupied Greece).

(like I said, this is all OT, so better to move on )

 

[Samson]

Certainly after the 1932 elections false flags played a massive role.
Before it, though, the communist fear was not just there for nazi party voters.
Generally it is easy to utilize such fear, when it comes with armed or violent actions. And obviously US now isn't in the state Germany was in the early 30s...

It is true that in 1920's Germany the prospect of a repeat of Russia in 1917 was very real to them, and Germany getting included in the USSR was frightening to a lot of people, with justification. That is not the case 2020 USA.

 

[Estebonrober]

Certainly after the 1932 elections false flags played a massive role.
Before it, though, the communist fear was not just there for nazi party voters.
Generally it is easy to utilize such fear, when it comes with armed or violent actions. And obviously US now isn't in the state Germany was in the early 30s...

Yea it was definitely part of it. I'd agree that if antifa was having massive shoo touts with Proud Boys then it would be problematic and deeply concerning. We are not there and do not seem very close to that other then mad men shooting innocents in churches and concerts.

 

[Hamid.H]

Alt-Reich: "There is a left wing conspiracy to silence us on the internet."
Also Alt-Reich: *this*

the OP specifically asked for examples of left wing violence and his sources were from cnn which isnt some obscure news network.

ive always voted for the democrats and 2016 was the first time i never voted in a federal election. i also didnt vote this year and it was largely because of the willingness of radicals on the left to support and lie about left wing violence and killings. (the democrat establishment has also become the party of big business, wall street, and the elites (obama bailouts, etc.) but thats not really relevent for the purpose of this thread)

my family witnessed events like these in iran first hand before the revolution. factions of religious fanatics and communists destabilized the country and gave us the current iranian regime. my family has been in exile ever since.

 

[Lexicus]

And what happened last time people thought brawling the Nazis was a good idea?

Scared enough people to elect them.

This is so incredibly ignorant it's astounding that you actually typed it and then hit Post Reply. I mean, seriously, this is such an inaccurate reading of the history of Germany between the wars that it pretty much amounts to pro-Nazi propaganda.

Beating then up in public won't defeat them lol. They want you to do that.

I agree, beating them up won't do anything. Deporting them to Guantanamo Bay on the other hand...

It sort of helped the nazi party rise to power, cause it argued it would keep the communists in check.

Again, this is a complete lie.

Nazis never even won 30% of the Reichstag or whatever, this is a lie.

They did, but contrary to the claims here which have portrayed them as victims of Communist violence, the Nazis won 30% and over in several elections which were in fact characterized by highly organized and widespread Nazi violence against the voters of the other parties. And the Nazis failed to secure an outright majority even in the election of March 1933 after Hitler had come to power and the election wasn't held under remotely free or fair conditions.

 

[Hamid.H]

how occpuy wall street became supporting the obama bailouts and punch a "nazi" is just utterly baffling to me.

i find it extremely hard to believe that people here sincerely believe left wing violence isnt happening.

 

[Gorbles]

Moving the goalposts by talking about "left wing violence", now, are we?

the OP specifically asked for examples of left wing violence and his sources were from cnn which isnt some obscure news network.

ive always voted for the democrats and 2016 was the first time i never voted in a federal election. i also didnt vote this year and it was largely because of the willingness of radicals on the left to support and lie about left wing violence and killings. (the democrat establishment has also become the party of big business, wall street, and the elites (obama bailouts, etc.) but thats not really relevent for the purpose of this thread)

my family witnessed events like these in iran first hand before the revolution. factions of religious fanatics and communists destabilized the country and gave us the current iranian regime. my family has been in exile ever since.

No, the OP specifically asked for examples of the shutting down of free speech. The thread devolved into this argument about violence because of false claims made by people invoking the boogeyman the OP was specifically attempting to point out.

So do what BCheek hasn't been able to to date. Provide some evidence. Additional points if you compare and contrast it to the scale of state-sponsored killings as well as far and alt-right violence.

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Meanwhile . . . (from Twitter)

The police put "all hands on deck" to uncover an "Antifa" operation to pay rioters to attack police, but they ended up finding out it was run by a registered Republican operative

Direct Link: Registered Republican Behind Hoax Antifa 'Protesters Needed' Craigslist Ad (Newsweek).

 

[Hamid.H]

Moving the goalposts by talking about "left wing violence", now, are we?


No, the OP specifically asked for examples of the shutting down of free speech. The thread devolved into this argument about violence because of false claims made by people invoking the boogeyman the OP was specifically attempting to point out.

So do what BCheek hasn't been able to to date. Provide some evidence. Additional points if you compare and contrast it to the scale of state-sponsored killings as well as far and alt-right violence.

i can quote you what the op said if you'd like or you can save us both the time and go re-read it.

in what fantasy land does beating peoples heads in and killing them not qualify as suppression of speech? its political violence. that is the objective of political violence - to suppress dissident opinions.

part of the reson why i didnt vote was because of crap like this.

people here just didnt like what was posted because theyre in a cult and dont want to admit it. i used to think the same thing to until i started getting my information from sources that arent exclusively echo chambers.

 

[Gorbles]

i can quote you what the op said if you'd like or you can save us both the time and go re-read it.

in what fantasy land does beating peoples heads in and killing them not qualify as suppression of speech? its political violence. that is the objective of political violence - to suppress dissident opinions.

people here just didnt like what was posted because theyre in a cult and dont want to admit it. i used to think the same thing to until i started getting my information from sources that arent exclusively echo chambers.

part of the reson why i didnt vote was because of crap like this.

I'm not seeing any sources for the claims you're making, like the OP asked for. All you're doing is posturing while regurgitating views from whatever "echo chamber" you now exclusively get your information from!

 

[Hamid.H]

I'm not seeing any sources for the claims you're making, like the OP asked for. All you're doing is posturing while regurgitating views from whatever "echo chamber" you now exclusively get your information from!

i can find sources if youd like. its not hard.

although i doubt youd accept it no matter what information was provided.

 

[Gorbles]

i can find sources if youd like. its not hard.

although i doubt youd accept it no matter what information was provided.

The OP asked for sources. Why did you bother making a song and dance out of quoting the OP if you're not even going to follow the rules requested? This is you posting for a third time without providing any.

This doesn't mean the sources should be accepted uncritically, which is what you're likely setting up by claiming what I would or wouldn't "accept". Provide the source, we can evaluate it on the merits provided, and then maybe a semblance of discussion can take place.

However, I don't have high hopes because it doesn't even look like you've read the past few pages, where we discussed a singular example of arguably-antifascist violence against the wider context of commonplace far-right violence. But let's try.

 

[Hamid.H]

I'm not seeing any sources for the claims you're making, like the OP asked for.

Security Guard Formally Charged with Murder in Fatal Shooting at Conservative Rally in Denver
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...g-at-conservative-rally-in-denver/ar-BB1abGqB

In an attempt to justify the killing, Black Lives Matter activist Shaun King identified the dead man as a “fascist,” accusing him of assaulting the security guard.


https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1315166028217884673?s=20

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/1...ty-guard-for-nbc-affiliate-in-custody-983045/

 

[Gorbles]

Security Guard Formally Charged with Murder in Fatal Shooting at Conservative Rally in Denver
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...g-at-conservative-rally-in-denver/ar-BB1abGqB



https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/1...ty-guard-for-nbc-affiliate-in-custody-983045/

Shaun King is a crappy grifter who shouldn't speak for any leftist, but sadly still commands a social media following. Regardless, he wasn't the person who shot anyone, so his presence in this collection of specifically-cropped screencaps seems pointless.

Beyond that, what here is "leftist"? Where are the heads getting bashed in? Or was that another fanciful claim designed to shock without evidence? You've got a registered Democratic voter (which doesn't mean leftist, or even left-leaning) charged with second-degree murder after apparently having shot someone in alleged self-defense.

Where's the left-wing violence? Where is the suppression of free speech? You've provided an altercation involving a Democratic security guard (hired by Pinkerton, very leftist, much praxis). This is your smoking gun? This is what you consider such ironclad evidence that you're already predicting I will reject it out of hand? Thankfully, I've been able to give multiple reasons why it's provocative nonsense that you're using to cite "left wing violence" without actual evidence of such.

You said they weren't hard to find, and you specifically alleged people getting their heads bashed in to silence political opinion. Where's the evidence for your claims?

 

[Hamid.H]

Where's the left-wing violence? Where is the suppression of free speech? You've provided an altercation involving a Democratic security guard (hired by Pinkerton, very leftist, much praxis). This is your smoking gun? This is what you consider such ironclad evidence that you're already predicting I will reject it out of hand? Thankfully, I've been able to give multiple reasons why it's provocative nonsense that you're using to cite "left wing violence" without actual evidence of such.

You said they weren't hard to find, and you specifically alleged people getting their heads bashed in to silence political opinion. Where's the evidence for your claims?

CHAZ-CHOP ‘Internal Security’ Shoot and Kill Black Teen, 16 and Critically Injure 14 Year Old
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/07...ck-teen-16-and-critically-injure-14-year-old/

 

[Gorbles]

CHAZ-CHOP ‘Internal Security’ Shoot and Kill Black Teen, 16 and Critically Injure 14 Year Old
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/07...ck-teen-16-and-critically-injure-14-year-old/

Nowhere in the article does it provide context or evidence for the claim of "Internal Security" shooting the two teenagers. The article text has a noticeably ideological bent. So I decided to do some research. Nice site you've got there.

Let's have some more links on those shootings:

• https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53224445
• https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-shooting-seattle-police-free-zone

There is no citation for who shot the two teens. The closest we get is The Guardian saying "several unidentified people fired shots into the vehicle". It's not like there couldn't be anyone else in that area capable of firing at minorities (NY Post story about a man allegedly being injured by people calling him the n-word).

You talk about echo chambers, but all you seem to have done is swapped one for another. Your "information" is exclusively right-wing, Breitbart-esque nonsense that you seem to have latched onto for reasons I couldn't even begin to guess at. But you really need to pick up the quality of the information you're providing if you want it taken seriously, instead of literally as fake news.

EDIT

That NY Post story linked me to the original reporting, which has some fantastic context in it, like how there was allegedly a lack of ambulance support because the police were too busy "feuding" to provide an escort.

 

[Estebonrober]

the OP specifically asked for examples of left wing violence and his sources were from cnn which isnt some obscure news network.

ive always voted for the democrats and 2016 was the first time i never voted in a federal election. i also didnt vote this year and it was largely because of the willingness of radicals on the left to support and lie about left wing violence and killings. (the democrat establishment has also become the party of big business, wall street, and the elites (obama bailouts, etc.) but thats not really relevent for the purpose of this thread)

my family witnessed events like these in iran first hand before the revolution. factions of religious fanatics and communists destabilized the country and gave us the current iranian regime. my family has been in exile ever since.

This is just total bollocks though, I will grant you the shooter at the baseball game with the caveat that he had no affiliation with antifa. More importantly to the point overall though is your concern for left wing violence is insane. You literally have right wing terrorists showing up to Wal-Marts and murdering people indiscriminately and yet you are concerned about a antifa? Thats crazy.

 

[Hamid.H]

This is just total bollocks though, I will grant you the shooter at the baseball game with the caveat that he had no affiliation with antifa. More importantly to the point overall though is your concern for left wing violence is insane. You literally have right wing terrorists showing up to Wal-Marts and murdering people indiscriminately and yet you are concerned about a antifa? Thats crazy.

people here have no problem equating someone like dylan roof (hes been mentioned several times) with everyone on the right. then theres all of this evidence of left wing shooters. you can go read their social media posts, see their party registration, groups like antifa and blm which they admit to be a part of and its all dismissed and ignored. theres always some made up excuse for it. the people who do this make us all look bad. this is cult behavior and anyone whos not in the cult doesnt believe you or take you seriously and this is coming from somone who is also on the left.