Antifa: There are Monsters Everywhere!!!!

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Angst said:
So it's pretty clear BCheek made a major mistake in his reporting, and has chosen to pretend it didn't happen instead of rectify his mistake.

I'm just going to consider it bad faith and poor integrity, and maybe not worth it to engage with.
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Is antifa even an umbrella organization in the US?
One would suspect that (eg) BLM is a much more populous (albeit also not strictly defined) organization than (US) antifa.
 
BCheek said:
Fixed it for you
  • Antifa are terrorists
  • Some Democrats are sympathetic to antifa
  • Some Democrats are antifa
  • Therefore some Democrats are terrorists
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At least this makes clear the insanely extreme position you are holding in your mind.
 
BCheek said:
Most people on the right are normal everyday people who only hate the truly despicable people who sympathize with terrorists and turn a blind eye to murder.

The good news is violence cancels out violence, so I've learned. Eventually this will all deescalate back to a baseline of 0. It's really a great system you guys have come up with and one of you has already come out in support of extrajudicial killings and kidnappings. I'm sure we all are looking forward to more posts of that nature.

Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow for our Day #3 of Antifa Violence that Didn't Happen.
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If you are going to list all left wing violence stop labeling it antifa. I’m open to seeing how many days you keep it going. I spent ten minutes and found dozens of assault by police officers on innocent bystanders expression legal free speech rights. You are giving me one a day. I think I know which one is the greater problem
 
Kyriakos said:
Is antifa even an umbrella organization in the US?
One would suspect that (eg) BLM is a much more populous (albeit also not strictly defined) organization than (US) antifa.
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It's not even an umbrella organization. There is a central organization in the US iirc, but it's not connected to most of the associated parts.
 
Lexicus said:
I think civil leadership of a country are considered civilians, though? I was sort of under the impression that "civilian" pretty much means anyone not in uniformed service of some kind. For purposes of international law I believe it simply means anyone who is not in the armed forces.
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If the politicians control the soldiers who occupy your country, why would you bother shooting the grunts doing what they're told when you can go after the decision makers

The politicians labeling violence against them terrorism (edit: while committing violence themselves) is perfectly analogous to shooting 19th century military officers and them complaining about it being "ungentlemanly"
 
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Cloud_Strife said:
See Berzerker would prefer it if fascist types could just have their mini rallies unopposed he actually thinks, he actually believes Antifa are an equivalent threat to america, just like how fascists and neo-nazis and republicans are.
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All protesters should be free to have their say without being attacked. But I dont believe Antifa is an equivalent threat (to whom?), they're a bigger threat than the 'fascist types' they attack and I dont know what you mean with that last part about fascists and neo-nazis and republicans.

Cloud_Strife said:
Free speech is being able to spew your hateful opinions to a captive audience who then might act upon it.

Anti free speech is when you use your free speech to say "no don't do that"
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Captive? That wouldn't be free speech nor is 'punching a Nazi'

Cloud_Strife said:
Yeah if we just ignore the problem it gets smaller and goes away which is why militia groups and other right wing domestic terrorist groups have disappeared and aren't at risk of causing violence.

Please do tell us more, @Zardnaar
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What effect do riots have on militia growth?

Cloud_Strife said:
The fbi aren't dealing with it, that's why the right wing are emboldened...
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The FBI recently busted some group for wanting to kidnap the Michigan governor.

cardgame said:
Free Speech Warriors: free speech is so important! It's the most important right we have!
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Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... and property. But in the Bill of Rights religious freedom precedes freedom of speech. Like I said, the Democrats are the party of censorship and one reason why Antifa is so popular with them.

Samson said:
If violence does not justify violence, does anything?
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Self defense

Estebonrober said:
no no go ahead I would truly feel more educated if you can find me actual evidence of this monster in the dark called antifa committing violence against innocent nazis. Please help.
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I wouldn't call their victims nazis, most of their recent violence targeted city neighborhoods being destroyed by BLM. We just watched months of riots leading up to the election, politically motivated violence is terrorism. That is the monster and it dont matter if its BLM and Antifa or the KKK and neo-Nazis.
 
And killing a nazi/"nazi" (in those rallies) will get you a few decades in US prison*.
Not really cost-effective.

*unless the police just gun you down, in which case it will just cost you life.
 
Zardnaar said:
Not from a legal pov.

If you attack them that makes you look bad and plays their game.
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It's not a game, yo. The existence of these extremists, neo-Nazis, far-righters, Proud Boys, whichever specific denomination . . . is violent. They commit violence. Their ideals inspire violence (see: Dylan Roof). That's why this thread was kicked off in the first place, because of silly claims that have no basis in reality that are only popular because conservatives and right-wingers don't want to see this violence (or don't care about it, relatively speaking). More liberal folks just see the people resisting it (antifascists, amongst others), and go "oh well all violence is bad".

You can finger-wag, or tut, at people, as much as you want, but it's not like that achieves anything either.
 
Gorbles said:
It's not a game, yo. The existence of these extremists, neo-Nazis, far-righters, Proud Boys, whichever specific denomination . . . is violent. They commit violence. Their ideals inspire violence (see: Dylan Roof). That's why this thread was kicked off in the first place, because of silly claims that have no basis in reality that are only popular because conservatives and right-wingers don't want to see this violence (or don't care about it, relatively speaking). More liberal folks just see the people resisting it (antifascists, amongst others), and go "oh well all violence is bad".

You can finger-wag, or tut, at people, as much as you want, but it's not like that achieves anything either.
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And what happened last time people thought brawling the Nazis was a good idea?

Scared enough people to elect them.
 
Gorbles said:
It's not a game, yo. The existence of these extremists, neo-Nazis, far-righters, Proud Boys, whichever specific denomination . . . is violent. They commit violence. Their ideals inspire violence (see: Dylan Roof). That's why this thread was kicked off in the first place, because of silly claims that have no basis in reality that are only popular because conservatives and right-wingers don't want to see this violence (or don't care about it, relatively speaking). More liberal folks just see the people resisting it (antifascists, amongst others), and go "oh well all violence is bad".

You can finger-wag, or tut, at people, as much as you want, but it's not like that achieves anything either.
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Surely it is easy to note when there is violence. Unless you are talking about theoretical violence (as in how someone may subjectively feel something, with no physical attack there).
I think by and large right-wing rallies are more dangerous than left-wing, yet the extreme elements who can kill are the same imo.
 
Kyriakos said:
Surely it is easy to note when there is violence. Unless you are talking about theoretical violence (as in how someone may subjectively feel something, with no physical attack there).
I think by and large right-wing rallies are more dangerous than left-wing, yet the extreme elements who can kill are the same imo.
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I think the rights a lot worse in scale at least. Right wing terrorism has been a bigger thing than the left since the 90s or so.

Left wing not so much since the 60s or 70's.
 
Zardnaar said:
That's what they want though. Just don't elect them or give them the platform or media attention they want.

Beating then up in public won't defeat them lol. They want you to do that.
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The idea is that letting them hold rallies unopposed lets them spread their message, and grants them an image of acceptability that should not exist. By having a counter demo whenever they take to the streets makes it clear to the general public both what their view is and how much strong feeling there is against it. I think this is a very good thing for the world.
 
Maybe if the the Nazi's had more of the german populace openly fighting back against their fascistic efforts, they might not have gotten as far as they had, instead @Zardnaar would have prefered for them to have been entirely peaceful, as if Nazis and fascists ever adhere to those principles
 
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