AdamCrock
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Or maybe They're like having pussycats (cat) mounted on shields. Some Persian King did pulled that off actually ! :O :O :O
Antifa: There are Monsters Everywhere!!!!
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AdamCrock
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Was a shame - because Egyptians though cat is as God :/ The poor bastards ....
AdamCrock
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Ancient Egyptians got extinct because they've though the cats mounted to the shields of their adversaries were "Holy" , let that be the warning for You "holy Cow" worshipers 
Which one life and country is more important ? That of a cat or that of Your countryman ? You would be surprised at the answer .... that is why I sympathize with anarchy
Which one life and country is more important ? That of a cat or that of Your countryman ? You would be surprised at the answer .... that is why I sympathize with anarchy 
If violence does not justify violence, does anything?
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"Have you heard of that Antifa that" is pretty much the same phrase of "Have you heard of that feminist that", "Have you heard of that Christian that", "Have you heard of that poet that", etc.
There is no real barrier to getting into Antifa, and the No True Scotsman comes up incredibly quick. Antifa, feminism, Christianity and poetry are all areas that you can basically just join and be part of some amalgamation. For feminism and Christianity, they're incredibly nuanced groups with internal branches that abhor each other.
Compare to "Have you heard of that cop that", which is an organ of the state with violence monopoly and legislated lethal equipment. There is a real reason looking into why a cop is excused of murder, where there is a strict hierarchy, government funding and, again, a monopoly of violence, compared to why an Antifa agent is excused of some kind of violence, where there is no hierarchy, no central funding, and no state. A movement's leadership can't excuse something if the leadership doesn't exist.
EDIT: To put it more clear, the only real distinction of whether something is Antifa is whether "do you wish to organize actively in order to counter fascist movements" checks out, and whether you "join" the organization; latter of which can achieved with just inviting some people into your apartment and declaring a branch without contacting anyone. The rest of the tenets of individuals and individual branches are overall irrelevant here as to whether something is Antifa or not. So people that want to paint a certain picture of Antifa can always find examples for this; this is technically OK to do. But labeling it as an organized monstrous conspiracy as certain segments of the right likes to do is laughable. The people I know in Antifa have their activism done in peaceful demonstrations and removing nazi imagery from the cityscape. If you're against that because of "association", you don't understand how the movement works.
There is no real barrier to getting into Antifa, and the No True Scotsman comes up incredibly quick. Antifa, feminism, Christianity and poetry are all areas that you can basically just join and be part of some amalgamation. For feminism and Christianity, they're incredibly nuanced groups with internal branches that abhor each other.
Compare to "Have you heard of that cop that", which is an organ of the state with violence monopoly and legislated lethal equipment. There is a real reason looking into why a cop is excused of murder, where there is a strict hierarchy, government funding and, again, a monopoly of violence, compared to why an Antifa agent is excused of some kind of violence, where there is no hierarchy, no central funding, and no state. A movement's leadership can't excuse something if the leadership doesn't exist.
EDIT: To put it more clear, the only real distinction of whether something is Antifa is whether "do you wish to organize actively in order to counter fascist movements" checks out, and whether you "join" the organization; latter of which can achieved with just inviting some people into your apartment and declaring a branch without contacting anyone. The rest of the tenets of individuals and individual branches are overall irrelevant here as to whether something is Antifa or not. So people that want to paint a certain picture of Antifa can always find examples for this; this is technically OK to do. But labeling it as an organized monstrous conspiracy as certain segments of the right likes to do is laughable. The people I know in Antifa have their activism done in peaceful demonstrations and removing nazi imagery from the cityscape. If you're against that because of "association", you don't understand how the movement works.
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What you provided is not a video or a GIF of "antifa" attacking and shooting anyone. So you claim there's not a shortage of footage, but the only example you have is a suspect (who admitted to it only on the pretext of defending a friend), with no actual footage, who didn't even get to court before being hunted down and arguably extrajudicially murdered.
Shall we stack that up against those killed by the far-right? How far back would you like me to go? Dylan Roof? We're talking about monsters, right?
Estebonrober
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no no go ahead I would truly feel more educated if you can find me actual evidence of this monster in the dark called antifa committing violence against innocent nazis. Please help.
I'd hazard the very general (thus not really useful) guess that while the bulk of right-wing protesters are more dangerous than the bulk of left wing, those on the absolute extremes of either do employ similar tactics and potential for contempt of human life.
Although, again, at least in the US you don't usually see that extreme antifas.
Although, again, at least in the US you don't usually see that extreme antifas.
Not really. Especially when the example used was antifa shoots stranger who did nothing to him dead then later gets into a violent confrontation with police and is shot dead, but if that's the hill you want to die on, by all means...
So you are agreeing that if violence does not justify violence nothing does, it follows that all violence is unjustified? I am not sure I disagree, but that also means you stand against all forms of police and military? Absolute pacifism FTW.
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The claim was that the person was acting in self-defense (presumably from the "stranger" who was a member of an extremist far-right group, and was armed). I like how you keep leaving out fundamental details in the only example you've been able to provide in this thread.
I think its time for our daily antifa violence that didn't happen.
Here's #2
Suspect in congressional shooting was Bernie Sanders supporter, strongly anti-Trump
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/homepage2/james-hodgkinson-profile/index.html
Here's #2
Suspect in congressional shooting was Bernie Sanders supporter, strongly anti-Trump
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/homepage2/james-hodgkinson-profile/index.html
What you provided is not a video or a GIF of "antifa" attacking and shooting anyone.
Shall we stack that up against those killed by the far-right? How far back would you like me to go? Dylan Roof? We're talking about monsters, right?
Nah, it pretty much cancels out.
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There's no examples of violence from the right. Plus you haven't posted a video or GIF of Dylan Roof attacking and shooting anyone. That's just not an example.
The guy was shot dead talking to his friend while standing in a crowd, but it's not surprising that people who sympathize with antifa terrorists would lie about that.
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Lexicus
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Antifa violence example #3: murder of convicted war criminal Joachim Peiper in France, 1976
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2...eiper-grisly-death-after-battle-of-the-bulge/
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2...eiper-grisly-death-after-battle-of-the-bulge/
So you agree your example doesn't count? Cool, we're on the same page.
Says the poster defending Patriot Prayer
It's extraordinary, really. The dissonance required to balance both "antifa are violent because one person likely shot someone else, allegedly in self-defense" and never talking about right-wing violence ever . . . I guess that's why you accuse posters of lying. Because you don't have an argument. It's just baseless scaremongering that you don't even apply in any even-handed manner.
It seems to me that is harder to justify than punching Nazi's in Portland. People are not punching Nazi's 'cos of what they did 30 years ago, or because they "deserve" it. People are punching Nazi's to make the world we live in better.
Lexicus
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Ridding the world of that filth made it better imo
Instance #4 of antifa violence: politically correct activists drive the #2 executive of Germany to suicide.
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Lexicus
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Instance #5 of antifa violence: politically correct activists kidnap German bureaucrat from retirement and fly him halfway across the world for a kangaroo trial ending in his execution
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A lack of alternatives. Violence, even as a response to violence, should be a last resort to be considered ethical, imho.
The degree of violence employed has to be considered, too. 'Proportionality' is a word used in international relations, but it's applicable to just about any use of force. If a person steps on my foot on a crowded subway, elbowing him in the face wouldn't be justifiable because it's disproportionate, even if some application of force were my only option.
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