Manfred Belheim
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When have I defended their ideology?
It's been repeated too many times now Berzerker, it's become the truth. No use fighting it.
When have I defended their ideology?
All this anti fascism, forcing people to become pro fascist
ah yes, the 'bridge too far' of opposing fascists
I am sure this is true, but I am equally sure it is a miscommunication. Cubans and Venezuela hear socialism and think state ownership of the means of production. Bernie (and antifa?) say socialism and mean everyone getting healthcare and a progressive tax system.socialism (dirty word with Cubans, Venezuela etc).
I am sure this is true, but I am equally sure it is a miscommunication. Cubans and Venezuela hear socialism and think state ownership of the means of production. Bernie (and antifa?) say socialism and mean everyone getting healthcare and a progressive tax system.
I agree. The european word for the Bernie socialism is social democracy? Is that not obviously a less scary that a word that really does mean who owns the means of production?True but if you have to explain that distinction you've already lost.
I agree. The european word for the Bernie socialism is social democracy? Is that not obviously a less scary that a word that really does mean who owns the means of production?
The problem with this line of argument is that over time we lose the ability to lose valid words to describe something accurately.Social Democracy works yes.
I wouldn't use those labels though.
The problem with this line of argument is that over time we lose the ability to lose valid words to describe something accurately.
The irony is that this is what right-wingers always claim is being done to them and their "free speech", but this is (naturally) rarely the case.
In some cases I think you just let them defeat themselves.
Last I heard Labour's ahead in the polls in the UK essentially by not being BoJo and Co.
Here the neo libs got wrecked by lurching to the right. They went from around 40% (46% last election) to 27%.
Same theory applies to the left. Sometimes they defeat themselves and lurch to far left. Trump lurched to far right and essentially defeated himself.
Sometimes say nothing and ignore them. Let them stamp their feet and throw their toys.
ah yes, the 'bridge too far' of opposing fascists
It's been repeated too many times now Berzerker, it's become the truth. No use fighting it.
Can we really say the violent suppression of free speech is fascist if antifascists are the ones violently suppressing free speech?