Anyway to speed up time between turns?

Man I don't think I've ever seen so many anal-retentives all in one place!

You didn't use the proper terminology, so here, let me correct you on what TSR really means blah blah blah. Cripes.
 
How I miss the 486 years ... when your chip and MB could be ok for five years or so ...

I got 6 years out of my last 2 "rigs" and plan to continue that pattern.

1996
Pentium 133/16 MB/15" CRT (Win95) -> (1998) upgrade K2-300 (Win98) -> (1999) Last Tweak 64 MB (Win98 SE)

Civ II -> Civ III

2003
Athlon XP 1800/512 MB/Ti4200/17" CRT (Win2K) -> 2005 Upgrade 1.5 GB/6600GT-128/19" LCD (WinXP) -> 2007 Last Tweak 3GB => 2008 22" LCD (WinVista)

Civ III -> Civ IV

late 2008/early 2009
Intel Core 2 Q9650/4GB kit DDR3/GeForce GTX 260 896MB (WinVista 64)

Civ IV -> Civ (next)
 
I actually never owned a 486. My 386 purchase was due to me not realizing the tempermental PSU fan on my XT had been nonFunctional for an extended period of time, and cooked the motherboard ... back then the PSU was the only fan in the system.

So ~1996, I purchased a 386 to replace my XT from 1988 LOL - which at that time was already secondhand and probably 4+ years old. I believe I had a whopping 1Meg of ram, 40 Meg HD and a new 250Watt PSU. The system worked perfectly fine for running NCSA Telnet (MUDS), a PPP/SLIP Dos Dialer, WordPerfect, a DOS POP3 mail program, a "Text" WebBrowser, SSI's Pool of Radiance, HeroQuest: So you want to be a Hero? etc.

The most expensive part of the system was locating a CGA graphics board, that was ~$25.

The PPP/SLIP Dos dialer was a TSR ;-) I had to argue with Sprint to even give me a dialup SLIP account in the mid-90s since they emphatically told me it wouldn't work w/o Windows. "Yes yes whatever, Just tell me the DNS, POP3 and SMTP ip addresses thanks." We wont support your system. "Fine, what are the addresses?"

I joined the modern age Dec.1999 with a compaq prefab AMD 686 (686-2?) 450Mhz, SVGA 17" Monitor and 8Meg shared on-board video.

4.5 Years later, I built my current box. I've done periodic refreshes, More Ram, more HDs, replacement GPU. And have been building machines on the side.

The Seagate 8Gig drive I got with the compaq in 1999 is still running alongside a Seagate SATA: 160Gig, 320Gig and WesternDigital SATA2: 500Gig
The 8gig has housed my OS and programFiles on a second partition for almost 9 years now... (am a stickler for Win2K, meh)

Not that anyone cares, so feel free to take pot shots at my lame-ass ex-systems. The interesting bit, back then my system could do almost everything I do now, it just looks nicer.
 
The Seagate 8Gig drive I got with the compaq in 1999 is still running alongside a Seagate SATA: 160Gig, 320Gig and WesternDigital SATA2: 500Gig
The 8gig has housed my OS and programFiles on a second partition for almost 9 years now... (am a stickler for Win2K, meh)

Heh, we're very similar ... I have 3 HDDs in my current setup too, not nearly that big though! A 160 gig, an 80 gig, and .... a 6 gig. Hey, why not! I keep all my pdfs and other text on that last one, keeps things organized. What on Earth do you need 1000 gigs for?

I was thinking about running the OS off the 6 gig but I figured that the OS really ought to be on the fastest drive which unfortunately usually tends to be the largest. I don't know if it's true or not, but that's my reasoning. Some people also mention that having a dedicated drive for page file is good too ... but again, same problem. I wonder if the data transfer speed difference between different generations is really all that appreciable, though.

W2k ... still using it on my desktop too. And if I have to reinstall the OS on the Vista machine it will go w2k as well. If w2k ever gets to a point where it's truly obsolete and unusable ... seeya Microsoft! I'll be going Linux, unless they can put out a new OS that is comparably lean.
 
Heh, we're very similar ... I have 3 HDDs in my current setup too, not nearly that big though! A 160 gig, an 80 gig, and .... a 6 gig. Hey, why not! I keep all my pdfs and other text on that last one, keeps things organized. What on Earth do you need 1000 gigs for?
I actually have a 1Tb drive plus the 450Gb with my OS and all my apps, plus another 350Gb for backup / storage. The terabyte drive is for a virtual MS Sharepoint server.

Wodan
 
My 500gig was supposed to be backup for the 320 + 160, unfortunately The 320 and 500 are a bit of a mess now - with a whole slew of crap from usenet (most of which I haven't had the time to even go thru, it just sits there occupying space until I delete it lol).


My 160 is barely in use, it got damaged and wouldn't stop churning, I had to reset my system which may have exacerbated the damage.
After extensive troubleshooting, I located the area of the disk where the damage seems to be. Windows would get stuck around 10-12% of the format (30+mins with no change in format percent). In the end I formatted 14G/11G/25G/99G, damage is somewhere within the 11G. ATM I only use the 25G for Civ and a couple other game installs. I don't trust that drive anymore :-)

I'll get a few more drives later on this year, maybe Raid some, and actually maintain a backup drive like I intended initially.
 
Drives are so cheap these days. You can get a 500gb drive for the price it takes to fill up your car with gas a couple of times. :(

Wodan
 
Mebbe so but its also true that it cost $300 US just a couple of years ago for a 100gb drive. For that you can now get a terabyte. Or, you can get 500gb for less than $100.

Wodan
 
Mebbe so but its also true that it cost $300 US just a couple of years ago for a 100gb drive. For that you can now get a terabyte. Or, you can get 500gb for less than $100.

Wodan

Computer parts is the one area in life where procrastination actually comes with dividends.
 
The 3.73GHz is a Prescott core, by the way. The fastest Northwood Intel made was at 3.4GHz, 3.46GHz if you consider Gallatin as a Northwood derivative, which it was. I'd be delighted to run comparative Civ 4 benchmarks.

Sorry when you said "my 3.73GHz Pentium 4 based system" you failed to mention if it was a 2048mb L2 or 512mb. The dif is rather great. I Figured Northwood overclocked to 3.7 ghz fit the bill. Had you owned the top teir in all respects (mainly L2 and clock) it'd have made sence to include both in your comparison argument for drawin up maps, Correct? :)

About the 50%, a lil inflated according to offical statements I read. Intel qoute around 40% more effiecency over netburst. How do we know if this was netburst eqpt with lesser mobos then what Pent 4 users Today have eqpt to their 2006 Cedarmills?


Also, 1 thing you forgot to say was how much ram both systems had. WHen drawin a comparison of which can crop the largest map on a giant rampig It fair to assume your new rig came loaded with more ram as you had vista and your Pressy was not 64 bit supported, Im assuming (unless it very last of 23 or so models), so it was at mybe 1gig.

Another thing before drawin conclusions with CIv4 is video card. We all know how important this is. Tiny details like the latest driver can play a facter.So nevermind if both Rigs where level, I doubt they were, but Was Prescott's driver even up to Date. I bet the recent purchase waz.

See in comparison using a civ3 peice of code to face off is a simple thing. The max ram is 512 and anythin G-Card related will sqaure that feild SAme time you have better stress tests for the CPU as without ram and video limits, calculations get truly enourmous creatin tremendous amounts by late game. This is not the same on a burdened leaky civ4 frame where everything ruins the game if not mid-late by ram, then you got late game jam as 3D mem add ontop of huge ram. You got All that going on while the CPU facters in the jumped up task list a MEGA map creates in fullblown effect. Not so easy to pick out whats weaking the turn. Mybe why 'Tom's' never chooses civ4 to compare latest hardware, ever.

Here is were I derived my conlusions quite by accident playin civ3 on mod sized maps and increases on all game calculations while clocking at 3.6 or less with 2048 L2 . Here by simple post in observations we showed better results on these 'Total realism 'sized mods run on mega huge, that Cedarmill beat Pent D and conroe in turn times. simple but no way official

One more limit your Pressy faced was bottle neck from a weaker mobo. Again, this Im assuming. Its widly know this model was severly limited more by the days motherboards then by heat issues.
ITs the motherboard that makes sure power goes to L2and cpu most effectivly so had you switched the newer mobo you had runnin on the core2 with your Penty is it possable it would have drawn up maps sizes that were plenty ? ...

Cedar is going around 4.6ghz on average these days. Something to think about.
. Its a shame you don't have civ3 as we could have sorted this out more effectivly(never targeted a core2 yet) . I may have to shop for some fancy civ4 megamap playing gear to level the feild. Somethin you forget to do for your Prescott when you ran you bench test ;)

Chapter out
 
Glad to see T.A. is still around and as baffling as ever, he probably keeps codebreakers the world around in honest employment, trying to decipher what he's talking about :mischief:

What are you sayin? I should be worryin bout you? :shifty: or pass you off as jus some kind a jerk!
Well theres a simple one for em to figure :mischief:
 
What are you sayin? I should be worryin bout you? :shifty: or pass you off as jus some kind a jerk!
Well theres a simple one for em to figure :mischief:

Dot-Dot Dash-Dot-Dot ....ah frik it jus (it has a ficking t you moron) noone really cares.
 
obviously there are too many units. Go into map editor and delete a bunch of them.


















-_-
 
Dot-Dot Dash-Dot-Dot ....ah frik it jus (it has a ficking t you moron) noone really cares.

Id argue the "noones"' like you really do care!. The anti civ3 fanboi crew. Ya thats you and "boi" is endin in "i". So C' mon do somethin big tough grammer 'spy' :ninja: lol
HAve ya nothin to do but post OT gripes like " hey T.A : blah blah likes civ3, curse that moron! :gripe: :lol:

Its good to see in unbiased polls so does the majory! (. For data integrity I posted the results at the time: CIv 3 wins 59 -38 -;)

Your remark I think is one for your code buds to deciever.:confused:

I was offering advice which was challenged by comparison bench tests that ran so unequal in base variables that it proved his theory was mockery worth that of zero creds in realty
Ether way, response to my post come at me constant .Dosn't sound like nobody cares.
Ontopic Ive contributed THE IDEA rigs 1/3 the price can elimates deley rather nice, even over conroe or early Core 2 machines.

Id say those who tune in to somethin pertaining to topic might a been more anxious to read this then say, who's Zenith Data system wasn't done away or "lil goof Cusses over posts that aren't 100% grammer proofed". :lol:
 
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