APETO - [GoobNES01-Fallout]

The CU considers itself at war with the RSA and the USA. By the MPP that was active at the threats of war by the RSA the CU hereby requests aid from all SEATO nations except South Vietnam who needs to take care of itself first.
 
Look man, SEATO is NOT a military organisation it's an economic organisation. The MPP would be called into play WHEN oyu get invaded, not before.
 
Malaysia votes nay to the expellation of the CU. In our opinion, they have offered to return the designs, the only thing which Malaysia has requested from this fiasco.

To the Commonwealth Union, the MPP cannot be activated until CU territories are actually invaded. Like the Australian Ambassador has mentioned, the Mutual Protection Pact is only defensive in nature, as worded in the charter.

SEATO Charter - Article FIVE said:
- member states may request for defensive military aid and member states are obligated to provide it to the best of their ability.

To Iran's application, Malaysia abstains.

However, perhaps it is time to allow membership to non SE-Asian nations. Malaysia proposes the renaming of SEATO to APETO, the Asia-Pacific Economic Treaty Organisation. Malaysia votes aye (obviously.. :p)
 
[size=+3]SEATO Update T4[/size]

Projects Barney and SEAINT are online. People are expected to pay ecos by the time deadlines arrive.

New proposals have been put forward which need votes.

Dissolution of the Mutual Protection Pact - proposed by Japan
2 aye, 2 nay, 1 abstains
Undecided Nations - Commonwealth Union, New Khmer Empire

Expellation of the Commonwealth Union - proposed by Japan
1 aye, 1 nay, 1 abstains
Undecided Nations - Australia, New Khmer Empire, South Vietnam, The Philippines

Membership of Iran - requested by Iran
1 aye, 0 nay, 1 abstains
Undecided Nations - Australia, New Khmer Empire, Japan, South Vietnam, The Philippines

Renaming of SEATO to APETO, allowing non-SEAsians into the organisation - proposed by Malaysia
1 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstains
Undecided Nations - Commonwealth Union, Australia, New Khmer Empire, Japan, South Vietnam, The Philippines
 
Aye to all that I'm undecided on except the one about the CU, to which I abstain.
 
BananaLee said:
Malaysia votes nay to the expellation of the CU. In our opinion, they have offered to return the designs, the only thing which Malaysia has requested from this fiasco.

so if a thief breaks in your house and steals your stuff and you catch him its enough that, after a lot of struggling, he returns what he stole?
strage moral compass you have there...
RSA never wished to go to war over this, we offered him a deal and told him we would like to negotiate if he did not like it, instead he just declares war on us, we will be doing no invading thoug if any ships or planes get within RSA reach we will destroy them.

and if this great alliance allows non-asian members then RSA would like to know if we may join it, we might abolish aparheid if we could.
 
Fëanor said:
so if a thief breaks in your house and steals your stuff and you catch him its enough that, after a lot of struggling, he returns what he stole?
strage moral compass you have there...
RSA never wished to go to war over this, we offered him a deal and told him we would like to negotiate if he did not like it, instead he just declares war on us, we will be doing no invading thoug if any ships or planes get within RSA reach we will destroy them.

and if this great alliance allows non-asian members then RSA would like to know if we may join it, we might abolish aparheid if we could.

I'm not saying it is enough. The reparations between you and the Commonwealth Union are none of my business.
The principle lies in the fact that they had returned what they stole.
That is all Malaysia has a right to say regarding industrial espionage.

However, we do not look kindly upon the CU's declaration of war against South Africa. It is none of Malaysia's business but we would like to request a truce between the nations while South Africa is being considered for membership for APETO.

Malaysia votes aye to the entry of the Republic of South Africa ON condition that a plan for the abolishment of apartheid is presented to APETO, considered acceptable by APETO and followed closely.
 
We also vote aye to RSA membership.


Let the CU know that we aren't going to help them, the MPP PROTECTS, if you started the war, you get NO ASSISTANCE.
 
Malaysia proposes an amendment to the APETO charter.

- member states are not obligated to provide aid to other member states in wars which they have started themselves. However, individual member-states have all right to help if they so wish.

Malaysia votes aye
 
The NKE votes aye on the above proposal ^

Now that the NKE is more powerful, we have no more need for an MPP. The NKE votes aye on the dissolution of MPPs.

The NKE votes nay on the expulsion of the CU.

The NKE abstains on the membership of Iran.

The NKE votes aye on renaming SEATO APETO and allowing non-SEasian nations. That's all we wanted for non-SEasian nations to join, was the name changed.

The NKE abstains on the membership of the RSA.
 
BananaLee said:
However, we do not look kindly upon the CU's declaration of war against South Africa. It is none of Malaysia's business but we would like to request a truce between the nations while South Africa is being considered for membership for APETO.

Well as I said before the RSA will wage no war unless the CU stays away from our territory, in that case we will use all our power to defend ourselves.
And I would like to point out that the RSA is not requesting membership, we were merely inquiring whether an application would be accepted.
 
Okay, USSR needs an update. Is the USSR a member or not, and is there anything I am commited to doing if I am.
 
To RSA,
We will consider your application if you decide to apply.

OOC: Thought the msg was about application.. Sorry.

To USSR,
You would have to apply for membership. Make it official.. ;)
 
He applied through me, I said he was so we thought you'd accept that after I got his affirmative. I understand now of course that we need his direct application, but can we not take the above post from the USSR ambassador as a request to join?

Yes, the CU said that it considered itself at war with the SAR (though not a declaration), but only after they and the US said they would go to war against us. What we meant by every means is that we would DEFEND ourselves.

And please note Japan, that we didn't terminate the trade route, only our sales of oil to Japan. (it gave both of us a +1 to economy)
 
The CU proposes a very simple resolution: The nations of SEATO will protect the CU with armed forces if the CU is attacked by another state it hasn't taken military action against.

The CU prime minister Jonathan Drew personally apologizes for the direction he's been leading the CU lately. If the SEATO nations promise to protect CU from outside aggressions we'll be timid and nice like the rest of you (eyes the occupied states you guys went on more discreetly about and shuts up). I belive that despite the CU's faults in the recent... scandals and intrigues, it would be to the ultimate detriment if SEATO refuses to protect a member which has no intention of attacking the SAR. The declaration of war was meant to express that we would defend ourself with every legal means if we were attacked. We did do espionage, but we have offered to not sell these designs and we have had absoloutely no intent of starting a war, that would be unwise... it's just a while ago other nations declared they would go to war if the CU didn't this and that and... well.


[Russia], South Vietnam, [Iran]?? Please vote for me here, we could easily get hold of a majority with four-five votes and be safe and sound with each other's protection.
 
Fëanor said:
Well as I said before the RSA will wage no war unless the CU stays away from our territory, in that case we will use all our power to defend ourselves.
And I would like to point out that the RSA is not requesting membership, we were merely inquiring whether an application would be accepted.

The CU WILL stay far away from the RSA territory. The Prime Minister SWEARS he will NEVER attack the RSA.
 
To Members of Seato
From the People's Republic of China
I come here with permission from one of ur members to speak,that since the USSR's declaration of war upon the Chinese People Republic, we will be forced to invade the USSR. We simply wish to know if the Organization of SEATO would defend the USSR if we invaded them as according to their MPP within ur organization.
 
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