The Apostolic Palace is a nice early UN substitute. But as I see it, it puts a rather backwards spin on religion.
More specifically, it actively discourages the spread of its religion to other Civs. That's because the number of votes you get is based on the number of cities that have that religion. Using my game as a rough estimate, I've got Judaism as the Apostolic Palace religion. It's my state religion and all my cities have it. I've got 208 votes. But it was a really late religion, so only one other Civ has it as their state religion (the smallest Civ), with 44 votes. Beyond that, it's spread to a max of 1-2 cities in 4 other Civs, with 15, 16, 8 and 2 votes. That makes a total of 293 votes. To pass any non-diplomatic victory win vote requires 191 votes. In other words, with my 208 votes, I can easily force the passage of any vote that I want.
Now, if I decide to spread the religion, the other Civs will start getting more votes as their cities with the religion increases. It will very quickly get to the point where I need at least one, if not more other Civs to vote for a measure to get it passed.
The question is - why would I want to do that? The only advantages to spreading your religion are:
1) Increased money from a holy city
2) Changing the state religion of another Civ
1 only applies if you've got a holy city, so we can leave that one off for the moment. And 2 doesn't seem particularily useful because if you change the religion of another Civ, they become a full member, potentially unseating you from control of the Apostolic Palace. While you would get the positive diplomatic points from sharing the religion, it's not really necessary because you can vote through resolutions that will do that for you (shared wars, forced open borders, etc).
So in my mind, the Apostolic Palace actively discourages you from spreading your religion, when that seems pretty counter-intuitive for how it should work.
Bh
More specifically, it actively discourages the spread of its religion to other Civs. That's because the number of votes you get is based on the number of cities that have that religion. Using my game as a rough estimate, I've got Judaism as the Apostolic Palace religion. It's my state religion and all my cities have it. I've got 208 votes. But it was a really late religion, so only one other Civ has it as their state religion (the smallest Civ), with 44 votes. Beyond that, it's spread to a max of 1-2 cities in 4 other Civs, with 15, 16, 8 and 2 votes. That makes a total of 293 votes. To pass any non-diplomatic victory win vote requires 191 votes. In other words, with my 208 votes, I can easily force the passage of any vote that I want.
Now, if I decide to spread the religion, the other Civs will start getting more votes as their cities with the religion increases. It will very quickly get to the point where I need at least one, if not more other Civs to vote for a measure to get it passed.
The question is - why would I want to do that? The only advantages to spreading your religion are:
1) Increased money from a holy city
2) Changing the state religion of another Civ
1 only applies if you've got a holy city, so we can leave that one off for the moment. And 2 doesn't seem particularily useful because if you change the religion of another Civ, they become a full member, potentially unseating you from control of the Apostolic Palace. While you would get the positive diplomatic points from sharing the religion, it's not really necessary because you can vote through resolutions that will do that for you (shared wars, forced open borders, etc).
So in my mind, the Apostolic Palace actively discourages you from spreading your religion, when that seems pretty counter-intuitive for how it should work.
Bh