Apparently, vaccination is rape

[Arakhor]

It caused autism when pregnant mothers were infected.

From an article linked within that very article:

No authoritative research has been published to back up claims that the vaccine may be linked to autism and bowel disease.

It also remains to be seen how any vaccine could set-up the complex neurological conditions necessary to sustain autistic spectrum disorders.

 

[KMRblue1027]

I thought west india man was implying that rubella infections while a mother was pregnant can cause autism, which admittedly I have never heard of but it could be a possibility.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I thought west india man was implying that rubella infections while a mother was pregnant can cause autism, which admittedly I have never heard of but it could be a possibility.

I would say as a general rule that anything that can cause high fevers, which certainly includes rubella, can have a lot of consequences for pregnancy. Whether that includes autism specifically I have no idea, but I wouldn't doubt it particularly.

That falls in the category of consequences from not having the routine childhood diseases before adulthood (or being vaccinated).

Odd point against vaccination: The measles vaccine provides 93% probability that you will not be susceptible to measles. A second round raises that to 97%. But catching it in childhood, which as previously addressed pretty much everyone used to do, provides better protection against catching it as an adult (99%+). Since catching it as an adult is more likely to cause severe consequences (we are much less able to pass through very high fevers unharmed) one could say that allowing children to get it makes for healthier adults.

 

[Arakhor]

Ah yes. A pregnant woman catching rubella can have devastating effects on her child. Agatha Christie drew on a famous real-life in her novel The Mirror Crack'd from Side to Side.

 

[Evie]

Severe allergic reaction is listed as (less than, actually) one in a million. These reactions resulting in death is even rarer. The seizure you list is considered a moderate problem, and is not considered to have permanent effects.

So no, it doesn't even begin to belong anywhere near the same sentence as the death rate. You're not even comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and concrete bricks at this point.

 

[Borachio]

1 in a million is a reasonable chance to take under most circumstances.

But not when it turns out to be your baby that suffers it.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

It seems a pretty clear case of medical privacy. If a woman has the right to an abortion, or not, then a person has a right to an inoculation--or not.

Uh-uh. A woman having an abortion will neither cause other women to have abortions nor miscarry, and a woman choosing not to have an abortion will not cause other women around her to suddenly become pregnant.

However, an unvaccinated person can become sick and pass it along to other people who are at risk - such as babies who are too young to be vaccinated or people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

... such as babies who are too young to be vaccinated or people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons.

The mothers of those babies could of course have had an abortion. ..or just stayed at home with their babies... Choices everywhere.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Severe allergic reaction is listed as (less than, actually) one in a million. These reactions resulting in death is even rarer. The seizure you list is considered a moderate problem, and is not considered to have permanent effects.

So no, it doesn't even begin to belong anywhere near the same sentence as the death rate. You're not even comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and concrete bricks at this point.

Oda, one negligibly tiny risk being orders of magnitude larger than another negligibly tiny risk is just not going to get me excited, no matter how breathless people get about it. But let's try to account for all the factors involved in the unvaccinated putting your child in harms way.

First, we need the unvaccinated to catch the disease in question. Given that no matter how much the wild eyed anti vaccine crowd yammers most people get their kids vaccinated without even thinking about it just because their insurance will pay for it there aren't a lot of unvaccinated people to pass the thing around, so chances aren't real good for that. Then...

This unvaccinated and now diseased person has to come into contact with your unvaccinated kid...meaning this has to happen during the first twelve months or so of your child's life, since we have no doubt that you are gonna vaccinate your kid. In my experience kids under a year old seldom have really busy social calendars where they are exposed to a heavy traffic of potentially infected kids. Back in the day babies caught measles when their siblings brought it home from school, but you don't have to worry about that because you vaccinated the older siblings. So we now compound one small chance by multiplying it with another even smaller chance. Then...

We apply the very low chance of any serious complication, including death. We have now multiplied three very small fractions together. What have we got?

I have bigger fish to fry, and if you are honest about it so do you. Let's skip the gulags for anti vaccers nonsense, hey?

 

[Evie]

1 in a million is a reasonable chance to take under most circumstances.

But not when it turns out to be your baby that suffers it.

One in ten thousand is far less reasonable under most circumstnaces, and far worse when your baby suffer it (as it's death versus a severe allergic reaction which does not necessarily translate in death).

 

[onejayhawk]

Uh-uh. A woman having an abortion will neither cause other women to have abortions nor miscarry, and a woman choosing not to have an abortion will not cause other women around her to suddenly become pregnant.

However, an unvaccinated person can become sick and pass it along to other people who are at risk - such as babies who are too young to be vaccinated or people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons.

If you are trying to say that one person's rights end when they affect another person, Right to Life has been saying that for over 40 years. You have a point, just like they have always had one.

J

 

[Triewd]

If you are trying to say that one person's rights end when they affect another person, Right to Life has been saying that for over 40 years. You have a point, just like they have always had one.

J

Well said.

Consistency has never been the Lefts strong point.

 

[KMRblue1027]

Except for the whole fact that a fetus isn't a person in the legal or medical sense. This is getting rather off topic anyway so if you want to argue that it'd be best to split off a new thread.

 

[jackelgull]

Well, you could argue it is one in a moral sense, but yeah, this is getting off topic. Please return to the topic at hand.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

If you are trying to say that one person's rights end when they affect another person, Right to Life has been saying that for over 40 years. You have a point, just like they have always had one.

J

One woman's pregnancy does not affect other people. One person's refusal to be vaccinated could result in making that person sick, and then passing the disease along to someone else who gets sick or dies.

This thread is not about abortion.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

One person's refusal to be vaccinated could result in making that person sick, and then passing the disease along to someone else who gets sick or dies.

A child getting a fever as a reaction to the vaccine, crying out and distracting their parent driving them home, could lead to the death of a pedestrian.

This is why when deciding who is such a threat that they deserve the gulag we need to consider probabilities, not possibilities. I personally think there are bigger fish to fry.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

A child getting a fever as a reaction to the vaccine, crying out and distracting their parent driving them home, could lead to the death of a pedestrian.

This is why when deciding who is such a threat that they deserve the gulag we need to consider probabilities, not possibilities. I personally think there are bigger fish to fry.

What, this fever is going to spring up just POOF! on the way home from the vaccination?

By that reasoning, no parent should ever be alone in a vehicle with a child who might cry.

Dunno how they do it where you live, but here they make people wait at the clinic to be monitored for a short time, to see if any immediate bad reactions occur. They make me do that every year when I get my flu shot, even though I assure them every year that the worst that happens is a few days of weakness, a little pain, and maybe a headache/fatigue. However, I've also got hypothyroidism and fibromyalgia to contend with, and weakness, pain, and fatigue are things I deal with every moment of every day.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What, this fever is going to spring up just POOF! on the way home from the vaccination?

By that reasoning, no parent should ever be alone in a vehicle with a child who might cry.

Dunno how they do it where you live, but here they make people wait at the clinic to be monitored for a short time, to see if any immediate bad reactions occur. They make me do that every year when I get my flu shot, even though I assure them every year that the worst that happens is a few days of weakness, a little pain, and maybe a headache/fatigue. However, I've also got hypothyroidism and fibromyalgia to contend with, and weakness, pain, and fatigue are things I deal with every moment of every day.

Good point. Gulags for all the parents, not just the anti vaccine ones. The risks are just too great.

 

[onejayhawk]

One woman's pregnancy does not affect other people. One person's refusal to be vaccinated could result in making that person sick, and then passing the disease along to someone else who gets sick or dies.

This thread is not about abortion.

Correct. It only strongly resembles the debate about abortion, but with the sides reversed.

J

 

[poom3619]

When the vaccine-autism hoax being published. People start to fear the vaccine, subsequncely bring back the disease that was thought to be gone for good. It's kind of sympathetic when you say "This person/child is allergic to some vaccine", but consider if he or she end up contract a disease from another person who's not allergic but refuse to receive the vaccine because "personal right" thing. Sometimes it's not lethal. Sometimes it is.

Don't forget that there are young child and some people who can't received vaccine and rely on herd immunity, Immunity of people around them.