Arabian Nights Design Development Thread

[Howard Tafty]

Well I was kind of hoping it was something pre-conquest because I actually found the Sassanians pretty interesting but the only dynasty I can immeadiately think off of top my head is either early Qajar during the Russo-Persian Wars and the Pahlavi due to many reforms and policies that occured which laid the groundwork for the state of Iran. There was also the Ak Kolynu or the Black Sheep Turkomans, Muslim Turkish pastoralists that managed to expand from Armenia to parts of Iran and were a somewhat dominant force in the region. We have some decent options here.

 

[Urdnot_Scott]

Well I was kind of hoping it was something pre-conquest because I actually found the Sassanians pretty interesting

I definitely don't see myself doing anything pre-conquest, they just don't really peak my interest and all of the good ones are either done already or in the process of being done. Even if this weren't true, they really wouldn't fit the theme of Arab and Muslim civilisations, being neither of those things.

but the only dynasty I can immeadiately think off of top my head is either early Qajar during the Russo-Persian Wars and the Pahlavi due to many reforms and policies that occured which laid the groundwork for the state of Iran.

Ehh see both of these are super lacklustre. A short lived failure constantly being pushed back on all fronts or a modern, poorly developed and uncharismatic monarchy? No thanks.

There was also the Ak Kolynu or the Black Sheep Turkomans, Muslim Turkish pastoralists that managed to expand from Armenia to parts of Iran and were a somewhat dominant force in the region. We have some decent options here.

This is the only vaguely interesting one to me right now and even then I probably wouldn't bother doing them over most other things. I've got a good line up for now anyway and it doesn't really stray into Persia much.

 

[Howard Tafty]

see both of these are super lacklustre. A short lived failure constantly being pushed back on all fronts or a modern, poorly developed and uncharismatic monarchy? No thanks.

Qajar was the only one I was hesitant on because it was an absolute positively big piece of failure as far as monarchies go. But to be fair the it wasn't that poorly developed it was in the process of development which was ruined because of them revolutions and cold war-ing being popular. The monarchy while uncharismatic still had to get it out of the stupid holes thier predecessor dug them which counts for something at least in my eyes

his is the only vaguely interesting one to me right now and even then I probably wouldn't bother doing them over most other things. I've got a good line up for now anyway and it doesn't really stray into Persia much.

Well thanks for listening. If you need help with the Fatmids feel free to contact when I'm free.

 

[Ixor_Drakar]

Its not the Ghurids and its definitely not the Gokturks, sorry Natan. Its an Arab civilisation, by the way, from a super under-represented region of the Middle East.

Wiki Quote

They are most famed for their revolt against the Abbasid Caliphate. Mecca was sacked by the sect’s leader Abū-Tāhir Al-Jannābī,[2] outraging the Muslim world, particularly with their theft of the Black Stone and desecration of the Zamzam Well with corpses during the Hajj season of 930 CE.

The [REDACTED] were also known as "the Greengrocers" (al-Baqliyyah) because of their strict vegetarian habits.

 

[Natan35]

Wow. I think you found them. But they don't seem very... agricultural...

 

[Hoop Thrower]

How a group called the "Greengrocers" doesn't sound agricultural to you?

 

[Natan35]

Oh. I misread. I thought he was talking about the UU.

(This region isn't exactly underrepresented though)

 

[Urdnot_Scott]

Yes! Wow, excellent work man!

It is indeed the Qarmatians, an East-Arabian kingdom which was fairly nuts. From a small base in Bahrain, the Qarmatians invaded Egypt, sacked Mecca during the Hajj, took tribute from the Abbasid caliph himself, pillaged all of Iraq while the Abbasid armies cowered in Baghdad, killed like 30,000 people in a single raid and probably a whole load of other stuff I'm not covering. Plus they were fantastically wealthy, hence most of the desecrated wonders yielding gold. Coins minted by the Qarmatians in 920 AD were still in circulation in Eastern Arabia in the 20th century simply because there were so many of them and they were so important. Qarmatians didn't even pay taxes because they didn't need to, the state had all the money it needed. If you fell on hard times you could get a free loan from the government at 0% interest and Qarmatian estates would often have up to 30,000 slaves each.

Their reign of terror lasted about a century in which time literally every person in the Muslim world was technically a tributary of the Qarmatians. Hows that for a warmonger civ?

(This region isn't exactly underrepresented though)

Good god Natan you do love to be contrary don't you? Feel free to name all the Eastern Arabian civs currently available as mods.

 

[Natan35]

Eastern Arabian? If eastern arbia is a region, the so are eastern Sudan, eastern Kazakhstan, northern Greenland, southern Greenland, central Greenland, Southern Kongo...

Anyway, I'm trying to build a hype railway station here, so gib more redacted pls

 

[Uighur_Caesar]

Eastern Arabia is a region, just like how all those regions you just listed are regions. I don't see how you can argue that any of those places are regions.

 

[Urdnot_Scott]

Arabia is the worlds largest subcontinent and is larger than India, forgive me for claiming that a part of it which is culturally and geographically different to the other bits, not to mention the part of it I call home, could be considered a region. I'll consult you next time Natan before I decide what is and isn't a region.

 

[Howard Tafty]

Eastern Arabian? If eastern arbia is a region, the so are eastern Sudan, eastern Kazakhstan, northern Greenland, southern Greenland, central Greenland, Southern Kongo...

Anyway, I'm trying to build a hype railway station here, so gib more redacted pls

Those are geopolitical regions, actual regions would be in landmasses or continents as a whole...

 

[Tarmont]

Arabia is the worlds largest subcontinent and is larger than India

Wait a second now... Is wikipedia lying?

 

[Natan35]

Those are geopolitical regions, actual regions would be in landmasses or continents as a whole...

Greenland is an island....

My point was that there is no accurate definition(i.e., a border) for Eastern Arabia.
(Obviously I Can't ever make a point)

 

[Urdnot_Scott]

As far as I've been taught, the geographical Arabia, which includes bits of Syria and Iraq, is bigger than India, but the geopolitical version isn't. I could have been taught wrong though, or I'm misremebering.

The main point is, semantics aside, Arabia is really goddamn big. I consider the various bits of it - Hejaz, Bahrain, Najd and Yemen, seperate.

 

[Tarmont]

Greenland is an island....

My point was that there is no accurate definition(i.e., a border) for Eastern Arabia.
(Obviously I Can't ever make a point)

Natan, see this