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Discussion in 'Civ3 - Steampunk Scenario' started by KingArthur, Oct 7, 2007.

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  1. Blue Monkey

    Blue Monkey Archon Without Portfolio

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  2. Lord Malbeth

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    I hate to just kinda butt into this thread, and since I don't really know where to post this, I thought this'd be a good spot. I've had a steampunk idea floating in my head for some time now. What if this parallel universe/alternate reality is visited by a one known only as "The Doctor". ;) He and his TARDIS could have crashed through the void and are lost somewhere in the scenario. You could find him and make him 'regenerate' (aka upgrade) as techs progressed. I guess the only problem with this would be finding suitable graphics for his 11 known regenerations (Although, I'd use the generic Einstein that came with Conquests for his 1st). With this little subplot you could also add a great wonder called The Torchwood Institute that doubles scientific output. Anyway, just a thought.

    And if you did this... You'd need a few daleks. :)
     
  3. Blue Monkey

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    Thanks for joining the discussion. Take a look at the steampunk units request thread. We've got a TARDIS. Great minds think alike. ;)
     
  4. Lord Malbeth

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    Well all be darned... there it is! HaHa, sorry for interrupting just for that then...
     
  5. Lord Malbeth

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    I have another quick question. In this mod, will the Sorns or Hross be featured on Mars, or is it strictly Barsoom steampunk?
     
  6. Blue Monkey

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    Tsk Tsk! Those be CS Lewis creations! See >here<.

    There are some Barsoomian creatures I wouldn't mind seeing in our world. A list of Barsoomian Creatures is here.

    Take a look at my latest post in the Unit thread for more.
     
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    So is that a no... :( Drat, the Space Trilogy are some of my favorite books, but I guess we all can't get want we want. ;)
     
  10. Balthasar

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    I am sorry, Malbeth. I'm afraid to venture too far from Burroughs creations here because it could get out of hand rather quickly... We're already at 250 units and counting in this biq....
     
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    HaHa, I understand. Just thought I'd ask. :)
     
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    We can't get all that we want even if we limit ourselves to steampunk. ;)
     
  13. Balthasar

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    Ouch! True..
     
  14. Blue Monkey

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    on the gripping hand...
    Lost Worlds
    Steampunk Earth ( or whatever KA's got for the working title)
    The Hollow Earth
    Scepter & Orbs
    Kekule´ :)hmm:)
    . . .
     
  15. Wyrmshadow

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    Because of this thread I've started reading the EGB's Barsoom series on my phone as e-books. 100 years old and they are still a fine read. I can't believe I've ignored such a classic author of Sci-fi for so long.

    Also... General Grievous is a THARK!!!

     
  16. Blue Monkey

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    It's well known that George Lucas created Star Wars as an homage to the golden age science fiction authors of both film & print. Thark unit(s) are badly needed for the steampunk scenarios - they also look to be among the most difficult units to make. Probably why no one has yet accepted the challenge. :mischief:
     
  17. Balthasar

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    If you've already caught my latest post in the Map thread, you'll know that I've been working hard on Barsoom.

    This started when I went to add-in new martian races, specifically white martians and Firstborn (black martians), and had to figure out where to put them. That led to creation of the new map as a first step. Then I had to research every city on the map to find out which race occupies which city. Finally, I had to figure out how many civs it would take to pull off a reasonable representation of Barsoom society.

    It turned out that the map that I used didn't include any cities occupied by the Yellow martians (Okars), because they live at the north pole and it didn't include the poles, as our map doesn't. As a result, I dropped plans to include the Okars because 1) they only appear in one book, and not throughout the series, as the other races do, and 2) it's frankly alot of work to design an entire civ to occupy just one City far away from everyone else.

    As for the rest, the easy thing would be to have just three civs and divide Barsoom up between them, but that would make no sense to a true fan of Barsoom, knowing that the place is actually a cauldron of squabbling kingdoms. On the other hand, it would be ridiculous to put a different Civ in each city.

    So I compromised. I divided up the Red Martians into the competing kingdoms of Helium, Manator, and "The Toolian League", based (except for the Toolians) on alliances described in the books. I divided the Green Martians into three: the Warhoons, the Torquas Hoard, and the Thark Hoard. The White Martians get four cities, but are also split into four civs: the Holy Therns, the Therns, the Lotharians, and the Orovar.

    About the Orovar. "Orovar", it turns out, is the name of the original martians. Only the white martians of Horz still call themselves that, so we've been doing this all wrong, naming wise. I've fixed that now, assigning the proper names to the proper civs.

    So here's a chart of what we end up with:



    You can right click -> view image to see it in better resolution. Note that Dejah Thoris is no longer running Helium. That's her grandfather in charge now. Her daughter is leader of the Toolian League, though. That's because I'd like to have Dejah Thoris as a unit (like John Carter is), so that she can be "rescued".

    Purists would argue the creation of the Toolian League, arguing that just about every city in that area is at war with every other city. That's precisely why I bundled them.

    Still, that's twelve new Civs, all of them under the control of the AI. So if you want to argue about this, feel free; I'll listen.

    You'll also note that there is a separate Kaldane civ, although we have no Rykor units yet. For an answer to that and other unit questions, meet me in the Units thread....
     
  18. Necropolis

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    so what is the curent list of 30 civilizations it the mod pack? bathathasar has made it clear the one that are going to befighting each other on the map. but with modpacks everything gets changed so i want to know the current 30 civs that are in the world. now i got done reading all the posts in this thread yesterday.
     
  19. Plotinus

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    I must add: it's horde, not hoard.
     
  20. Balthasar

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    Fair necropolis (winner of my personal ee cummings award), you have asked a good question:

    The current Civs are:

    Humans (England)

    The League of Gentlemen..........Phineas Fogg
    The Evil Secret Society..........Professor Moriarty
    The Blackcoats...................John Devil
    The Gothic Union.................Master Heathcliff
    The British......................Queen Victoria

    Underground Civs

    Atlantis.........................Prince Namor
    The Vril.........................Fuhrer Ragnuk

    - Pellucidar

    The Amoz.........................Diane the Beautiful
    The Mahar........................King Kong

    Lunar Civs

    The Selenites....................Grand Lunar Ortis
    The Uga..........................Jemadev Naheelah

    Barsoom Civs

    - Red Martians

    Helium...........................Tardos Mors
    Toolian League...................Lara of Gathol
    Manator..........................Jeddak O-Tar

    - Green Martians

    Thark Horde......................Tars Tarkas
    Warhoon Horde....................Bar Comas
    Torquas Horde....................Hortan Gur

    - White Martians

    Thern............................Princess Phaidor
    Holy Thern.......................Matai Sheng
    Lotharians.......................Tario
    Orovar...........................Ho Ran Kim

    - other Barsoomians

    The Firstborn....................Jeddak Doxos

    The Kaldanes......................King Luud


    Misfortune (Barbarians)

    24 Civs in all.

    The Mahar have both Pellucidar and Barsoomian branches (their units are resource-dependent)

    There are a lot of Barsoom Civs, but only the Green Martians have settlers until the fourth era. Barsoom Civs cannot trade techs.

    The LoG unit "John Carter" begins the game on Barsoom, and must survive there alone until he is "rescued". If he can capture the Temple of Iss and rescue Dejah Thoris from the Holy Thern, she will upgrade into a Transporter Pad unit.

    Thanks, Plot for the correction on the spelling of Horde. I was sleepy.
     
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