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Plotinus · Jun 3, 2008

Ah. By the way, how about making this mod set in Victorian times, but with modern technology powered by steam?

KingArthur · Jun 3, 2008

Hey Plot. You should check out the Map Creation Thread for the latest on the direction of the scenario. It now encompasses Great Britain, Underwater Kingdoms, the Centre of the Earth, the Moon and Mars.

Would you be amenable to a spot of unit making for the scenario? I have some specific requests. Tally ho.

Plotinus · Jun 3, 2008

I was looking at that thread and the mentions of various nefarious characters when Spring-Heeled Jack suddenly leaped into my mind, but I thought I'd mention it here as it seemed more appropriate. The wild direction of the mod is looking great.

I would very much like to put together some units and indeed promised to do so a while ago, but I have to say that it's looking like it might be hard to find time at the moment (most of my time is currently being taken up with job-hunting, house-hunting, and article-writing, and what's left seems to be getting taken up by Super Mario Galaxy). If you let me know the most important requests I'll at least do my best to think about it.

KingArthur · Jun 3, 2008

That's super. Life can be hectic and yours certainly sounds so- there's just not enough hours in a day. I'll compile a set of pics of units and you can decide which if any you would like to do. Any help would be very much appreciated.

KingArthur · Jun 5, 2008

Blue Monkey · Jun 12, 2008

Some of the recent unit packs have featured possibilities for more quotidian units that are yet exotic enough for SP. For example, Wyrmshadow's Modern Romans, Gen. Rommel's Zouave WIP, Sandris' Gunpowder Era Indians & French Fusilier, Grenadier, Chasseur, & Rifleman. I know I've also seen at least previews of a Legionnaire unit.

Blue Monkey · Jun 14, 2008

You might think this too goofy, but how about something like Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang as a "helicopter" type unit?

Plotinus · Jun 14, 2008

I'm sure there must be a unit somewhere that could be Captain Nemo - remember that the book doesn't specify his nationality, so he can be whatever you want.

I can't make any promises but I would like to put at least something together for this mod, so I shall bear the list in mind.

Balthasar · Jun 14, 2008

My suggestion for Nemo:

Uniformed Imperial Trooper by Smoking Mirror
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=1600

or

Indian Sikh Rifleman by Sandris
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8130

Glad to have your support, Plotinus. Do you still have your Oriental Wizard files? We could use a Fu Manchu. I think King Arthur suggested using your Oriental Wizard for the time being.

Balthasar · Jun 14, 2008

Some additional ideas:

Units that don't exist anywhere yet: Sherlock Holmes with cape, Carriage, Jack the Ripper with black cape and dagger, 18thc Thug with blackjack, English gentleman w pistol, English Lady w small pistol, Verne style rocket ship, the Invisible Man.

Units that I know exist but aren't in the database: The Nautilus.

Also: Bug (Selenite) leaderhead.

Plotinus · Jun 14, 2008

[Balthasar] I keep all the creation files for my units so I can make variants if necessary. Obviously these are generally easier to make than new units from scratch, although if the existing one works well enough I'd prefer not to, since the really time-consuming element of unit-making (and the least pleasant) is not the construction and animation of the model but the making of palettes, turning everything into flics, testing, etc. And that's just as tiresome whether the unit is completely original or a slightly altered re-render of an old one.

Blue Monkey · Jun 15, 2008

@Plotinus - please make the SP Commando / Spring-Heeled Jack.

@ Balthasar -
Gentleman = Kinboat's Victorian Secret Service / Sherlock; unless you were thinking of someone in a frock coat & top hat?
Nautilus (x 3) in Wyrmshadow's 22 Victorian Ships.
Although it's not Verne - Flamand's Flash Gordon Rocketship.

More Possibilities -
Kinboat's Industrial Legion.
Orthanc's Ornithopter.
Level's Rocket Soldier.

KingArthur · Jun 15, 2008

As BM says the VSS/Sherlock unit makes a fine Gentleman unit.

For the Black Coats I would like to see a unit like this: https://www.alexanderscostumes.com/store/images/Jack the Ripper Coat13321.jpg

With a sword cane (i.e. a thin sword concealed within the cane). and with a Pistol for an upgrade. With a dagger it could also pass as a Jack the Ripper unit. And of course, a Moriarty unit could be made from the same unit. So this would be top of my list for Plot or anyone else.

Blue Monkey · Jun 15, 2008

KingArthur said:
For the Black Coats I would like to see a unit like this: https://www.alexanderscostumes.com/store/images/Jack the Ripper Coat13321.jpg

With a sword cane (i.e. a thin sword concealed within the cane). and with a Pistol for an upgrade. With a dagger it could also pass as a Jack the Ripper unit. And of course, a Moriarty unit could be made from the same unit. So this would be top of my list for Plot or anyone else.

with some clothing recoloring & a simple smooth face, something like the alchemist from Vidocq, it could become a unit for the Automatic Gentleman tech as well:

Edit: perhaps civ-color for the waistcoat?

Balthasar · Jun 15, 2008

I agree that the english gentleman with top hat,frock coat and cane with a pistol and optional dagger attack would be the most useful thing we could get from a unit maker, but the carriage remains high on my wish list. Blue, thanks for the link to the Nautilis. It's a critical unit. I'm thinking the Disney Nautilis is (ironically) my favorite.

And I was thinking of the classic Holmes:

The little guy with the umbrella, while more universally useful, looks more like Dr. Watson than Holmes to me.

DJ Bonebraker · Jun 15, 2008

Balthasar said:
English Lady w small pistol

Blumofia or someone did a C&P unit that armed the Civ III PTW princess with a pistol.....

Edit: It was actually done by Beboy, and here it is:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=183618

Balthasar · Jun 16, 2008

I'm familiar with the princess with a pistol, Hikaro, but I was hoping for a more traditional looking Englishwoman. Maybe this one could be re-colored...

KingArthur · Jun 16, 2008

I would expect a lady of the Victorian Age to be more fully covered up so agree with Balthasar but we are short of units so a place could be found for her. Vuldacon made improvements to this unit including sounds that can be found in the EFZI2 scenario.

Virote_Considon · Jun 16, 2008

The most important thing about her is that her legs aren't showing, so I don't think she needs to be that more covered up

DJ Bonebraker · Jun 16, 2008

Yes, IIRC, Low-cut tops on dresses were quite in vogue during the Victorian times, but if a woman was brazen enough to show her *gasp* ankles in public, why, then she was quite the strumpet! :crazyeye:

Also see: The Gentlemans' Duel short animation (you can see it on Youtube).

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