Are fallacies real?

The word "fallacy" most literally means "deception," not "mistake." When your purpose is to convince others to come to your point of view rather than to conclusively come to a correct conclusion, then fallacies are very useful tools. So long as that is your aim, you would want to use all the fallacies you can get away with using, but not use any fallacies that your opponents can easily recognize. Falling for one's own deceptions however remains a major risk.
 
Emotional existence have its own set of truths quite independent of the mental existence while these both influence each other.

The heart has reasons of which the reason knows nothing.
--Pascal

So, yes, things that are logical fallacies are often powerfully persuasive, more persuasive than many truths are.
 
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I think op is delving into a very old subject, the nature of subjective v objective reality, and how we define the parameters of this. The problem is, without care, the postulation devolves into circular reasoning, i.e. "We experience this, in a shared manner, to be real, therefore it's real", but the people sharing the observation, for a large part, share the same mechanisms of observation, so that shared mechanism may be flawed.

It may be nothing's real, it may be in some strange way everything we imagine becomes real, but this is incidental to the immediate argument, "how do we work with this?". Pragmatism, inevitably, always works against the rest of observation to mitigate the present. Sometimes we don't even, entirely, understand how something works, but it works so we use it, do it, have it, assume it.

So, with logic, as we expand horizons, we're constantly "working away" from pragmatism. We're constantly evolving, I suppose, to create more and more difficult scenarios to explain as we paint this picture through the way we manifest. I mean, really, could we revert to walking on all fours, eating grass and raw rabbits off the ground, everything would be much simpler, we wouldn't have industrial pollution, threat of nuclear catastrophe, or trolling of weak love poetry. Instead we have microwaves on our counters, jets in our skies, satellites in orbit. We didn't get those things by arguing "logic might not be applicable".

We get very real, tangible results from logical processes, so something, somewhere in there is real. As we endeavor to work with what is "real" in this fashion we develop time-tested rules, or axioms, and these tend to hold sway, regardless if we're "seeing" the truth or a mirror reflection of truth. There are many poor results, many rabbit holes, and it's best, probably, to avoid these when we're trying to garner more concrete results.

So while we can be aware of results like "empty set", or a statement with zero qualifying answers but which exists as a statement in and of itself, like a bag with no contents, we have to be aware that this doesn't really help us. Whether or not "two plus two can equal five" does not help us work in the practical world. Mathematical proofs which end in "infinity" are garbage. Whether or not "empathy is as real as a hammer that's about to crush our skulls" does not save us in the instant, we must be aware of the hammer, we must deflect or otherwise change the effect of the hammer, or none of it is going to matter. We're not out of the woods of this yet. Maybe someday. That would be nice.
 
Committing a fallacy is usually considered a sin among skeptic circles. However, what if it works on an emotional level?
That's the entire point of a fallacy ? Saying something which is logically false but work on an emotional level ?
 
I think that's mostly "Appeal to emotion" and related fallacies. A lot of fallacies manage to fool the reader just because they sound logical and convincing, not due to any emotional manipulation. A lot of fallacies even confuse the person using them for that reason.
 
Appeal to emotion is not a logical fallacy. It's rhetoric. It was highly recommended by Cicero for any orator.

Focus not only the recipients of his rethoric and Trump himself - focus also on the way his language works. People feel it is real because in another dimension not empirically observable (yet), it could perhaps be real. When you utter something, you open up the idea - it becomes accessible in your mind. Trumps apparently triggers a lot of ideas among certain people with his words, which is perhaps how he won. And the thing is, he didn't need to be logically airtight, though he made mental shortcuts in his speech which opened people for ideas which are feasible, like voting for him, as you pointed out. However, the effects are far greater: They don't just extend to his supporters, it also extends to his opponents and observers. (during the elections, I considered myself an opponent, now he has won, an observer)

Mr Trump doesn't 'open up ideas'. Nothing he says or has done is new. What he does, is (and voters literally confirm this) speak their language. He 'doesn't speak like a politician' (which is rather an odd thing to say about a politician). But this was the politician Trump's message: I am not a politician. Complete nonsense, and people buy it. Now that's politics.
 
Appeal to emotion sure is a logical fallacy

wikipedia said:
Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones or appeal to feels is a logical fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.
 
If you can think concise, honestly and reflective, you have no need for "fallacies" in real-world-debates. You will be able to spot problematic arguments they may pertain to without them and will be better equipped to deal with such problems without them. Conversations are not math. They are subtle, ambiguous and shock full of subtext and context. And they need to be treated accordingly, rather than with a set of abstract clumsy binary formulas. Leave that to people who only want to appear smart.
 
I think that's mostly "Appeal to emotion" and related fallacies. A lot of fallacies manage to fool the reader just because they sound logical and convincing, not due to any emotional manipulation. A lot of fallacies even confuse the person using them for that reason.

How many levels to a human are there? If a person was unable to be effected on an emotional level, would fallacies even work? I think that what is trying to be asked is, "Can something that effects emotions be real, if emotions are not real?" It could be argued that thought is not even real, because it is only a logical outcome of imagination (sans emotion), and not an observation of reality. Reality is observed, but it is immediately intercepted by all the "prejudices" of known associated data, and even currently subconscious data. It may remain reality, or morphed into the reality pertaining to only the observer. I would note that reality is not real, because it is observed and agreed upon by one or more human observations. Reality is real, because it is separate from observation. Fallacies are real because they have a usage in rhetoric. Fallacies "not being real" is not a conclusion based on the fact they effect human emotion or even logical thought.
 
Appeal to emotion sure is a logical fallacy
In a clinical argument standing entirely for itself rather than any actual consequences, sure. Emotions don't change the world around us, all by themselves. Great we got a name for that "phenomena".
But it happens often that actual decisions are quit reasonably related to how we feel about something. After all, decision only even make sense to make if you care, in some way or the other.
In actual debates, those two things are often inter-mingled, and an appeal to emotion can be merely distracting in one sentence and entirely justified in the next, depending on where you are coming from
 
How many levels to a human are there? If a person was unable to be effected on an emotional level, would fallacies even work?

Yeah, a lot of them are designed to fool the reader on a logical level only. If you programmed a robot with an incomplete understanding of logic (and no emotions), it would be fooled by some of these fallacies. Some of them rely on emotion to work, but a lot of them don't.
 
Appeal to emotion is not a logical fallacy. It's rhetoric

Does that mean that labelling stuff "fallacies" is basically a delegitimization of the art of rethoric?
 
I'm not sure what you mean. Rhetoric isn't necessarily logical.

Appeal to emotion sure is a logical fallacy

It would seem there is a premise to that:

Appeal to emotion or argumentum ad passiones or appeal to feels is a logical fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.

If, in the absence of any facts, one appeals to emotion to win an argument, then that is obviously a logical fallacy. It's also rhetoric, and should not be underestimated, as the example of president-elect Trump makes clear.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean. Rhetoric isn't necessarily logical.

Appeals to emotion are frequently considered red flags in debates, despite rethoric not being logical.
 
I'm sure. But look at it this why: according to communis opinion Mrs Clinton emerged victorious from 3 presidential candidacy debates. And yet, the one 'appealing to emotion' (emotion apparently being his outstanding quality for the presidency) won the election. Now, you may complain - quite rightly - Mr Trump committed logical fallacy. But what if logical fallacy is his trademark? It may lose him debates, but still win him elections.
 
It may lose him debates, but still win him elections.

Perhaps we need to rethink the validity of the concept of logical fallacies in debates then. Trump won, and the debates he "lost" were part of the reason.
 
I'm sure. But look at it this why: according to communis opinion Mrs Clinton emerged victorious from 3 presidential candidacy debates. And yet, the one 'appealing to emotion' (emotion apparently being his outstanding quality for the presidency) won the election. Now, you may complain - quite rightly - Mr Trump committed logical fallacy. But what if logical fallacy is his trademark? It may lose him debates, but still win him elections.

Seems to prove that logical fallacies are in fact real, and something used by people from time to time to get their way even though logic and facts aren't on their side. So I mean yeah, logical fallacies are used. They work.
 
Clearly. That's why I mentioned rhetorics, which often contains what might be termed logical fallacies.

Perhaps we need to rethink the validity of the concept of logical fallacies in debates then. Trump won, and the debates he "lost" were part of the reason.

I seriously doubt that. Mr Trump takes pride in being emotional (or at least pretends to be). This sets him apart from 'the politicians', and this is what some people can directly relate to. That doesn't mean there is any truth to his claim of not being a politician (logical fallacy again); it's just a key element in populist politics. So the logcial fallacy is there - but Trump voters simply don't care whether he is talking nonsense, re[eating lies or is just an outright fraud: he 'tells it like it is'. He may even believe that himself.
 
They work.

Logical fallacies don't work with computers. Our susceptibility to (be convinced by) fallacies is part of us which make us human.

That doesn't mean there is any truth to his claim of not being a politician

Since his behavior during the campaign arguably differed from that of other major political figures in recent memory, he did manage to make this assertion rather convincing to many.
 
Are you sure we aren't derping into bitmaps when being fallacious, while the rest of our process continues unperturbed? Or perhaps we just hold it stasis until we can recycle it?
 
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