Are too many natural wonders poorly placed?

[Furycrab]

Or alternatively, they could make city states more attractive to take. That is, not attractive so that you would always go after them, but attractive enough to make it something you would consider.

The mod community has come up with ideas for this, but I don't like them all that much because if the AI was actually programmed to properly weight the decision, there wouldn't be any city states left in the late game seeing how taking extra cities is actually fairly easy and good now for anything except cultural (and even for cultural victories having lots of puppets can be very good).

 

[adultswim88]

Yep. You'll rake in a mean 1000G from it. Pretty crazy start if I must say

 

[insaneweasel]

What are you all whining about?! They are WONDERS, which implies they are rare and unusual ... first meaning in wiktionary:
Anyhow, not something all civ's have some unalienable right to IMO

I'm not saying that we have an unalienable right to have a good natural wonder...I say that we should have the CHANCE to get good natural wonders out of reach of city-states. Seeing cierro de potosi, rock, or some other wonder next to a CS is a waste of a wonder - why have them in the first place if most of them will never be feasibly settled next to?

 

[TM Moot]

The Krakatoa is an island in the middle of nowhere and Gibraltar is a small island not far from the coast..

Actually, Gibraltar is attached to mainland Spain, not an island at all..

With regards to the OP, I usually get sensible NW placements, i.e. Barrier Reef 2 hexes out to sea, Gibraltar on a coastal hex etc....

Perhaps its the map type, i generally play Continents, or lately, Continents Plus.

 

[Deggial]

I really thought... you know, because of the britisch claim on this region. So, beeing just a peninsula, not a real island makes this even more weird.

I never stop learning!

Thank you for correcting me. I really should enhance my geographical knowledge...

 

[TM Moot]

I really thought... you know, because of the britisch claim on this region. So, beeing just a peninsula, not a real island makes this even more weird.

I never stop learning!

Thank you for correcting me. I really should enhance my geographical knowledge...

Happy to help!!

Btw, we won it fair and square hundreds of years ago. There's not much left of the former British Empire (why we ever gave back Hong Kong I'll never know) so i reckon we should hang on to it for a while longer.

The Spanish shouldn't complain to much, there have similar territories in North Africa.

 

[Grievous]

The reef is always just a bit out of reach.

it was on the eastern side of the lake which had two city states a bit further east. because of where they were placed, no civ could have reef in thier territory!

 

[Callonia]

I've once had the great barrier reef spawn up in the north of the map, surrounded by ice and a single hex island, problem is..

Its completely sealed off

No ships can reach it, no air dropping the settlers.

Only vessels that can reach it, is submarines and nuclear submarines cuz they can go under the ice. civ 5 tooo bare bones.

And for giblatar, that one is decent, but sometimes it will be in the ocean with its mountain attached, impossible to settle next to lol.

Same for Krakatora, sometimes its in the middle of ocean in an incredibly remote place by its lonesome. Or it'll be in a chain of islands, but alas it is one heck of a shrewd volcano always staying out of settleable range.

And on this sidenote, i actually managed to find all natural wonders in the current game of pangea im doing ^_^ that never happened before, always needed satellites to find them all, dunno, perhaps i'm just used to hunting the krakatora down cuz tis so dang reclusive! XD

 

[Optional]

What are you all whining about?! They are WONDERS, which implies they are rare and unusual ... first meaning in wiktionary: "Something that causes amazement or awe, a marvel."
Anyhow, not something all civ's have some unalienable right to IMO

Yes, yes. I like them a bit awkwardly placed.
The opposite feels wrong, especially when you're Spain. Having the Fountain of Youth right nextdoor mains immediately claiming 500 and 22 happiness! (1 for finding, 10 for within borders, both doubled).
That's a bit insane, it equals 5.5 extra lux! Let's save that for rare occasions.

 

[Grievous]

no air dropping the settlers.

how do you air drop settlers???

submarines and nuclear submarines can go under the ice.

really? i didn't know that?

 

[Shurdus]

The map generation in general is very poor in civ5. I have not seen an interesting map at all so far.

I agree on the placement of natural wonders, it seems off like pretty much most else in civ5.

 

[Deggial]

The map generation in general is very poor in civ5. I have not seen an interesting map at all so far.

Really? It's funny, how different the perception of each person can be. *I* enjoy CiV's map generator so much more than that of Civ4, I don't even can tell! For example, I do not remember having seen similar mountain ranges in Civ4.

As always, it is improveable. Placing Krakatoa on a small, settleable islands might be great. But overall, I love CiV's the map scripts!

 

[apocalypse105]

Lower the city states in the advanced menu if you are playing a standard map lower it to 10 You will have more natural wonders not close to city states and more expand room....

 

[apocalypse105]

Really? It's funny, how different the perception of each person can be. *I* enjoy CiV's map generator so much more than that of Civ4, I don't even can tell! For example, I do not remember having seen similar mountain ranges in Civ4.

As always, it is improveable. Placing Krakatoa on a small, settleable islands might be great. But overall, I love CiV's the map scripts!

Civ 4 map generator was terrible allways had a lot of forest near me allways!!! that inst allways a bad thing but still

 

[KaiserKevin]

As a Spain player, I wish! The reef is always just a bit out of reach. What a starting position it would be.

Somewhat OT: I have never found El Dorado first as Spain. Do you get to double dip on the bonus? (+500, +500)

Yes, 1000 gold is pretty amazing start as Spain if you can find it.

 

[Optional]

The Barrier Reef is 1000 as well if you're Spain; 2 tiles.

 

[bcaiko]

I'm not saying that we have an unalienable right to have a good natural wonder...I say that we should have the CHANCE to get good natural wonders out of reach of city-states. Seeing cierro de potosi, rock, or some other wonder next to a CS is a waste of a wonder - why have them in the first place if most of them will never be feasibly settled next to?

This is why I always lower the number of City-States in my games. But, you can always, you know, take over the City-State to take its wonder...

 

[_hero_]

Natural wonders are often near city states, because they are often near starting locations, and city states dominate the starting locations. I don't really think it's a bad thing. It makes city states more valuable (as a target).

Being in the middle of the ocean isn't a good thing, but I guess that's like the old fish resource next to a mountain island.

The only natural wonder I ever have and ever would currently consider taking a CS over is Fountain of Youth. The fact that you start getting perma-warred with CSs after you've declared war on just 2 CSs is enough dis-incentive to ever do it.

 

[Callonia]

how do you air drop settlers???




really? i didn't know that?

You can't I wish I could do that, like have paratrooper hang on that settler dude and drop together onto that unreachable island surrounded by ice.

And about subs, and Nuclear submarines, The more you know.

I've had few maps where ships couldn't sail around the world it was impossible cuz of the ice.

I got annoyed and decided to try sending a sub over to where the ices is, and went whoa, they can indeed go under it.

So I got the first, you have proven the world is around with a submarine! xD

 

[Camikaze]

The only natural wonder I ever have and ever would currently consider taking a CS over is Fountain of Youth. The fact that you start getting perma-warred with CSs after you've declared war on just 2 CSs is enough dis-incentive to ever do it.

Yeah, I never declare war on them either. However, if they are allied with an opponent that declares on me, then I'd consider taking it and a natural wonder would increase the chances.