Are you Politically Correct?
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They get to decide because for large portions of history and in several places around the world they are or were considered subhuman and worthy of execution.
But what exactly are you finding offensive here? Or actually, unfair? A trans person is someone who doesn't feel as though their body at birth matches their true sex and gender. A cis person is someone who does feel as though their body at birth matches their sex and gender. Both terms come from the same root/premise. What are you taking issue with? That you aren't simply the default anymore?
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independent states?
what is the new default?
what is the new default?
I would bet that a majority of people would prefer not to be called that. That is the fairness issue. I have no problem referring to them by their preferred term after the let me know what that is. I would expect the same respect.
Ouch. That was unnecessary.
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it was a compliment, I cant imagine you're not hit on regularly
Of course she did. This is the age of outrage after all.
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I see you edited your last post. This highlights something interesting.
You added: "That is the fairness issue. I have no problem referring to them by their preferred term after the let me know what that is. I would expect the same respect."
Combined with your follow-up reply, I can only assume that you feel trans people are just making up their preferences, and you're willing to "entertain" their proclivities so long as they're willing to entertain yours.
This is fundamentally corrupt (and stupid), because you not liking to be called cis is silly because you are cis. You actively identify as cis. You fit the definition. You're cis because you aren't trans. You were born male, raised male, and feel as though you're male. You're cis. The only way you can not be cis is if you were trans. Are you?
This is in stark contrast with what trans people go through, where they transition or are in the process of transitioning to their identified gender and would simply like to no longer be referred to by their deadname or by the incorrect gender. They find it offensive because you are taking what they are, choosing for yourself to reject that, and then wielding what they were as a weapon against them. You make the decision to actively refuse the foundation of what and who they are, thereby negating their value and presence in society and their communities.
Their preference is to not be mislabeled and erased. Your preference is to not hear a word you don't like because of... reasons.
The two situations are not equivalent in any way.
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attractive people complaining about being hit on too much, the rest of us should be so lucky to feel your pain
raises an interesting question, is beauty a blessing or a curse?
raises an interesting question, is beauty a blessing or a curse?
Not really. If "cis" correlated with trauma and you went out of your way, without argumentation, or twenty-two pages of debate, to respect other peoples' pronouns and the like, then yes, this case could easily be made. But that hasn't really been the case here. If everyone agreed in good faith to respect these things, a) the thread would've been a lot shorter, and then in turn b) people would also be willing to believe that a Latin prefix could in some cases cause people harm.
It's too similar to the height example, for me. And notably, simply referring to someone as a trans person (assuming they are) is not in of itself offensive. Which means we're really got to do some kind of work here to define cis as one, and given the attempts so far? Let's just say I'm not convinced Berzerker is being entirely serious here
Cis folk, like myself (and others here, I'm sure), are the "norm". That's why cis is being popularised, to stop treating trans folk like a set of "other", or "not normal" people. There is no baggage associated with being called cis. It's a term with very little (historical) cultural baggage. Most weaponised forms of describing trans people don't actually involve the word (or prefix) trans. That's not to say that being labelled as one can't cause harm, and technically the same goes for cis. But only technically, covering every possible semantic eventuality.
The two aren't really comparable; it's like comparing any cultural majority with a related disadvantaged minority and claiming that because the majority can technically be insulted, respect on both sides has to happen for anything positive to happen to said minority. Gay folks before (mainsteam acceptance of) gay right. Black folk. White women before their vote. Slaves. And so on, and so forth. Trans folk are actively marginalised in today's society - us cis folk aren't, simply for being cis. We're seen as "normal", and we aren't so much as even blinked at twice in that regard.
There's apparently a fairly hilarious phenomenon in Melbourne where single professional footballers on The Apps exaggerate their height even though their height is public record.
So you're not asking for equal treatment you're asking that they receive special treatment.
If you had read my previous post, you would see that I wouldn't be offended. I get to decide what I prefer to be call within standards.
And yes, those two situations are exactly the same. I have never used any of the slurs in the past.
So if I am asked and I say I prefer not to be called that to someone, they're entitled to ignore my wishes and use the term to me anyway. How is that fair.
If you had read my previous post, you would see that I wouldn't be offended. I get to decide what I prefer to be call within standards.
And yes, those two situations are exactly the same. I have never used any of the slurs in the past.
So if I am asked and I say I prefer not to be called that to someone, they're entitled to ignore my wishes and use the term to me anyway. How is that fair.
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Trump's 6'3"
or as Ty sez, he measures himself with others by height
I dont want to call me a cisperson
or as Ty sez, he measures himself with others by height
I dont want to call me a cisperson
You're calling respecting someone's chosen pronouns "special treatment". You're equating this with not being referred to by a particular pronoun, which logically isn't even the same case, and in context doesn't apply in the same way because cis people aren't marginalised like trans and non-binary folk are.
Why do you insist that these things are "exactly the same"? Because you personally, do not use slurs? What relevance does that have?
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To your edit, I covered that in my first paragraph regardless. You may also find that people don't tend to call you a "cis person" to your face, much like how you might not go "hey, trans person". Again, it's not the similar example you think it is. You've created a hypothetical scenario which is more likely not to happen, compared to actual examples of misgendering or deadnaming (not a personal attack, I'm simply stating the relative likelihood of each in Western society today).
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