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[The Capo]

With the exception of the Medieval/Renaissance flag, NONE of the Zulu flags are Zulu-like. I especially don't like the Industrial one, as you're basically saying they will be internally conquered by whites no matter what.

Well, I thought the Lion fit well enough, but to each his own. The Industrial one doesn't imply conquest by whites, sure the emblem is European in style, but I think it is for a semi-autonomous Zulu region, where the King and all of that currently rules/resides. So I don't think it is that bad.

I don't really like Korea's Industrial flag that much, it isn't Korean enough. Everything else is fine.

Well it IS Korean:

And I thought it was a relatively well-known symbol anyway.

Industrial/Modern Aztec flag should swap position with Ancient/Classical version, as the Industrial version is an actual Aztec Eagle, while the classical one is a modern, cartoon version.

I suppose I could switch those.

I think the Celt flags are fine, considering the fact we're not going to find anything else. I thought we were using the Boar for Ancient France, though.

I am using a Cock for France, a Boar for the Celts. At least there is something you like.

Man, you're easily the most brutal critic of the flags.

 

[Omega124]

Well, I thought the Lion fit well enough, but to each his own. The Industrial one doesn't imply conquest by whites, sure the emblem is European in style, but I think it is for a semi-autonomous Zulu region, where the King and all of that currently rules/resides. So I don't think it is that bad.

Well, I just don't think a Lion is Zulu, but, like you said, to each his own. Maybe how I put it is wrong, but I still really hate the Industrial flag. It's still showing European dominice, no matter how you look at it. It wouldn't be a flag that a 100% Zulu civilization that lasted to the Industrial age would use for a flag. It doesn't really fit.

Well it IS Korean:

And I thought it was a relatively well-known symbol anyway.

Wait, so you want to use a symbol from a communist propaganda poster/country for a industrial flag?

I am using a Cock for France, a Boar for the Celts. At least there is something you like.

I don't like it per se, but I know we really can't find better flags

Man, you're easily the most brutal critic of the flags.

I'm only brutal because I care about this mod.

 

[The Capo]

LOL, no the symbol is a North Korean symbol. I didn't "use it" from a poster, MadmanOfALeader made it before I looked it up (Juche by the way), it also appears in the background of Kim Jong-il in the mod. He just made it back when we were going to do leader-based flags. I wanted to incorporate part of Communist Korea into the mod as well, and figured that I should just do it during the Industrial era.

Keep in mind that the flags used are loosely based on history. I don't want to go too exact, its mostly there for flavor and not for specific historic accuracy. The thing is, I don't have time to sit around making flags all day. So I want to generally try and use what I have. This shouldn't be too complicated, and people shouldn't be so strict and demanding about it. I mean, right now you are stuck with the same flag the entire time, at least I am trying to break up the monotony.

Basically what I am saying is that I have limitations to work with here. And within those limitations I have to make it fun and interesting. So going with a strict line of reasoning is either going to result in hardly any flags changing, or flags changing at such a rate it is ridiculous. So I'm trying to find a good middle ground here.

I don't mind criticism, but open-ended criticism doens't help. When I put up a flag and you say "that doesn't look right, or this shouldn't be like that" you should also make suggestions, because everything that gets shot down is only going to be replaced with the original flag unless I have something viable to use instead.

I understand what you are saying about the Zulu Industrial flag, but without a good replacement your criticism isn't really helpful.

 

[AbsintheRed]

I agree on the Aztecs, the 5th and 6th should be the first 2 flags
You can go with the future for modern too, and then we just need a cool industrial one

For Korea I'm also not sure on the industrial, maybe give the same as renaissance there
I like the Zulu and Celt sets

 

[Omega124]

Okay then. First of all, the Zulu lived in present day South Africa, so the Industrial flag could be the current South African coat of arms:

That's more Zulu than the Coat of Arms for the colony itself.

Also, for Industrial Korea, if we're going to use that flag at all, it should be in the Modern slot. Again, Communism wasn't really around until the immediate end of the Industrial era. I'd personally say just use the Renaissance flag for Industrial along with Renaissance and keep Modern/Future flag the same.

There, I have some suggestions, happy?

 

[AbsintheRed]

South Africa will be added in one of the modpacks, so we can't use those simbols for the Zulu

 

[The Almighty dF]

South Africa will be added in one of the modpacks, so we can't use those simbols for the Zulu

I really need to keep up to date on new civs. Stop making me do double-takes! You'll hurt my head.

Though I guess a South Africa civ makes sense, since I seem to remember Capo -wanted- to keep using Nelson Mandela, but realized it was really, really weird having him be part of the Zulu.

 

[AbsintheRed]

I really need to keep up to date on new civs. Stop making me do double-takes! You'll hurt my head.

Check the first post of the other thread
Of course whether we will include all those civs or not are not put into stone, so it's far from a final list, but they are all based on the latest infos from The Capo (as far as we know it)

Btw, there weren't any changes on the list in the past few weeks

 

[The Capo]

Okay then. First of all, the Zulu lived in present day South Africa, so the Industrial flag could be the current South African coat of arms:

That's more Zulu than the Coat of Arms for the colony itself.

Also, for Industrial Korea, if we're going to use that flag at all, it should be in the Modern slot. Again, Communism wasn't really around until the immediate end of the Industrial era. I'd personally say just use the Renaissance flag for Industrial along with Renaissance and keep Modern/Future flag the same.

There, I have some suggestions, happy?

Yes, very happy.

I think I could get around using this Coat of Arms for the Zulu and then a different one for South Africa. I was also thinking of taking the bird and all that from the top and making that the future flag, and then having the bottom part be the Industrial and Modern flags? What do you think?

 

[Omega124]

Yes, very happy.

I think I could get around using this Coat of Arms for the Zulu and then a different one for South Africa. I was also thinking of taking the bird and all that from the top and making that the future flag, and then having the bottom part be the Industrial and Modern flags? What do you think?

I think that's fine, personally.

 

[Thomas SG]

And @ Absinthe; as far as I know the flags by era thing is part of the game (and can not be turned off or on the way you are describing) so I can do either one of two things. Remove it entirely, or have it change more subtly/less often.

We can't turn the change on/off as I do it in CCV but it is no problem to make it a normal game option.

 

[The Capo]

So you can do a clickable "flags by era" option?

 

[The Capo]

So anyway... does anyone know what "!KE E: /XARRA //KE" means?

 

[AbsintheRed]

We can't turn the change on/off as I do it in CCV but it is no problem to make it a normal game option.

Awesome, that's what I hoped for!
It's more than enough for me if we can choose this pre-game

 

[The Capo]

So anyway... does anyone know what "!KE E: /XARRA //KE" means?

Apparently it means "Unity in Diversity" in case anyone was wondering.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Hey, you added a second '/' later, that's why I didn't find it previously

Anyway, I checked it too: means "diverse people unite" in Khoisan language

EDIT: "The motto is: !ke e: /xarra //ke, written in the Khoisan language of the /Xam people, literally meaning: diverse people unite. It addresses each individual effort to harness the unity between thought and action. On a collective scale, it calls for the nation to unite in a common sense of belonging and national pride - Unity in Diversity."

EDIT2: Wow, I had no idea South Frica has 11 official languages!! Plus a few already extinct ones
Back to the flags, I think this will work well for the Zulu, as it's based on one of their old and extinct language...

 

[Xyth]

So anyway... does anyone know what "!KE E: /XARRA //KE" means?

Diverse People Unite

 

[Thomas SG]

So you can do a clickable "flags by era" option?

Yes, of course.

 

[Vortilex]

Apparently it means "Unity in Diversity" in case anyone was wondering.

Is this from the Korean poster or something? It sounds oddly like "E pluribus unum"

 

[AbsintheRed]

"The motto is: !ke e: /xarra //ke, written in the Khoisan language of the /Xam people, literally meaning: diverse people unite. It addresses each individual effort to harness the unity between thought and action. On a collective scale, it calls for the nation to unite in a common sense of belonging and national pride - Unity in Diversity."

Anyway, it's connected to the flag Capo posted before. So it has nothing to do with Korea, rather with South Africa and the Zulus