Wrymouth3
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Uh, what?
H4run
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Elton you should responsible and appreciate as Valka look up your hours length video seriously and give significant amount of her time to go through it, which I doubt not many or even non of the other member give such appreciation and seriousness to your thread than her.
Thorgalaeg
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Of course nuclear physics and chemistry touch each other in some borderline cases since nuclear reactions and its physical effects like radiation can affect the chemical properties of other substances, which is the subfield of nuclear chemistry. But in any case the study of neutrons and any other subatomic particle doesnt fall into the field of chemistry but physics.
What? Do you know of any chemical reaction involving neutrons? Even isotopes having different number of neutrons are chemically identical, that is the reason it is so hard to obtain enriched U-235.
Of course nuclear physics and chemistry touch each other in some borderline cases since nuclear reactions and its physical effects like radiation can affect the chemical properties of other substances, which is the subfield of nuclear chemistry. But in any case the study of neutrons and any other subatomic particle doesnt fall into the field of chemistry but physics.
^IIRC (from highschool :\ ) Chemistry studies the way elements (eg oxygen, hydrogen etc) link so as to form molecules in nature (to use the same basic example, H2O for water), depending on the numbers of -electrons? been a while..- on their outer peripheries, and other factors summed up for each one in the periodic table of elements. It also is mainly about constructing models of such ties, and categorising them. But it stops at Atoms (which later were found to break up to the particles current sub-atomic physics studies) and IIRC Chemistry is not including any theory/experiments on defining how even the atoms move (only how they link, and how their core is orbited by the peripheral parts of the atom).
Thorgalaeg
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Exactly. I would say chemistry is a subfield of physics which studies the physical phenomena happening at the surface of the atom but does not enter inside it. It is like low-energy physics.
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True. That's an hour and a half of her time she'll never get back.
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Wrymouth3
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Yes, the dissolution of yellowcake in Nitric Acid. It unfortunately does not have a name like Sonagashira Coupling or Sandmeyer Reaction, but it is a chemical reaction. I'm not diasgreeing with you about what you have stated about chemical and nuclear reactions, but you can't just go out there and claim that Neutrons have "nothing to do with chemistry."
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I was thinking almost exactly this. It's nice to see it expressed graphically.
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Philosophy. Black cats, black rooms, again.
There's a pretty close link between philosophy and maths, isn't there? But I wouldn't like to say where it might come in the continuum. If anywhere.
Oh, and all the sciences used to come under natural philosophy. Like, years ago.
There's a pretty close link between philosophy and maths, isn't there? But I wouldn't like to say where it might come in the continuum. If anywhere.
Oh, and all the sciences used to come under natural philosophy. Like, years ago.
warpus
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I would say the link between philosophy and math is as strong as the link between cheese and baked goods.
^Well, supposedly the field included math and all other 'knowledge' which could be studied or theorised upon, but i suppose this sort of ended with the Hellenistic era when the main scientists (eg Archimedes and Eukleid) did not have any title of philosopher (unlike Thales or Pythagoras, although they might have not proven their eponymous trigonometric theorems themselves either).
But yeah, philosophy used to be a sort of serious order (at least up to Plato's time). Then it seems to have become a bit like 'LOL i know mental stuff so i rule', which became exponentially worse as the aeons passed.
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As for the Warpurgisnacht vitriol: even decently modern/recent philosophers had some math-centered arguments (such as Wittgenstein and his linguistic theory of words being some kind of 'limit' to meanings, which he tied to calculus). Not that i paid much attention to his work, cause i am generally lazy
But yeah, philosophy used to be a sort of serious order (at least up to Plato's time). Then it seems to have become a bit like 'LOL i know mental stuff so i rule', which became exponentially worse as the aeons passed.
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As for the Warpurgisnacht vitriol: even decently modern/recent philosophers had some math-centered arguments (such as Wittgenstein and his linguistic theory of words being some kind of 'limit' to meanings, which he tied to calculus). Not that i paid much attention to his work, cause i am generally lazy
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so is philosphy the bit left over, after all the other sciences are taken out then?
: putsondarkglasses :
Borachio
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I don't get it. What's the link between cheese and baked goods?
The link between philosophy and maths is logic. And it's a strong one. Take Bertrand Russell, for instance.
Still, I expect you know this. So, again, what's the link between cheese and baked goods?
Cheese and onion pie, maybe?
warpus
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Mathematical Logic is a subset of math indeed, but the logic used in philosophy is of a different variety, usually anyway. "Logic" is a fairly broad term that includes a lot of stuff, depending on the discipline.
There's also some cheese in some baked goods, sometimes.
There's also some cheese in some baked goods, sometimes.
Pizza. Or cheese bread.
Thorgalaeg
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Umm... that would be a normal Acidbase reaction, if there are free neutrons around is because we are working with U-235, but i cant see how they could in any way be involved in the chemical reaction. They may interact with other Uranium nucleus breaking then and generating others elements but that would be a nuclear reaction, no chemical.
OK, lets say then that chemistry must know to some point of neutrons since they are a component of the nucleus and it is the nucleus composition that determines the electronic configuration of the atom, and there are some cases where nuclear reactions and other neutron interactions with matter are of interest for chemistry, but neutrons for themselves are not a matter of study for chemistry.
