Atheistic Hypothetical Theism.

We don't know everything about one another. We barely know anything about our physical world based off the alphabet, math, and what you can sense.

I don't know what you know but it might be presumptuous of you to assume people want to experience life differently. That is incidental.

My argument still stands. At random or created with a plan, the right set of circumstances exist allowing us to communicate and live on this planet.

Some people believe someone is controlling it all outside our understanding. Others believe it's governed by a law of science.

The tricky part is determining the best interpreter of it. This is the direct answer of your questions. An additional point to ask is who got that username to ramble on about it for 9 pages?
We know quite a lot about our world and are learning more an more every day. WE also know quite a lot about people and we can sense even more. people are very intuitive about other people.

I am quite presumptuous about what I know about people and their motivations; I guess i am lucky that I am also right about it. ;)

You are correct that the right set of circumstances exist for people to exist on our planet. Leaves are also green on most trees. You've separated the controlling influences into god or natural laws. Are there only two choices? Why have you chosen the one that you prefer?
 
We don't know everything about one another. We barely know anything about our physical world based off the alphabet, math, and what you can sense.

I don't know what you know but it might be presumptuous of you to assume people want to experience life differently. That is incidental.

My argument still stands. At random or created with a plan, the right set of circumstances exist allowing us to communicate and live on this planet.

Some people believe someone is controlling it all outside our understanding. Others believe it's governed by a law of science.

The tricky part is determining the best interpreter of it. This is the direct answer of your questions. An additional point to ask is who got that username to ramble on about it for 9 pages?
Thought about ignoring it, but why waste opportunities.

Who got your username and dragged you against your will to this thread time and time again? For your information I got more than just your answer to my questions which by the way has changed during the course of this thread. Just because you graced it with your take on the matter doesn't mean that's definitive. Just because others have doesn't mean it doesn't raise more questions. And to be Frank, your answer was far from illuminating, extremely insightful or definitive. It's great you feel that way and feel that's the end of the matter. I don't. What you gave is far from the direct answer to my questions. You didn't even get within the same zipcode of my point. Again, it's merely the way you see it and excuse me if I a. do not take it as gospel, b. recognize the holes in it and c. not discuss them since you made it perfectly clear you consider the answers beyond discussion.. :)
 
Then why Ziggy Stardust have you wasted our time with speculation? If you don't have a case to make and a conclusion then what is your point?

We have the right to disagree with you. The outcome being pleasant or not.
 
Then why Ziggy Stardust have you wasted our time with speculation? If you don't have a case to make and a conclusion then what is your point?
How did I force you (speak for yourself please, you are the only one complaining at this point) to read this thread? :( I suspect those who share your dislike made the smart decision and ignored this.
We have the right to disagree with you. The outcome being pleasant or not.
You are welcome and encouraged to disagree with me. It brings about discussion. Which is perhaps the main goal of this thread. Spelled out, I put myself in the position of a believer, which I'm not, to see how far I could go along with the premise "there is a God" which later was added by "God alone is". To do this I requested input from others to figure this out. There was no: "this is my argument and I'll defend it to the bitter end". You do have the right to roll your eyes at the percieved spammy pointlessness of this thread. And I in turn have the right to disagree with that assessment.

It's great to have rights innit?

Sorry to hear the thread not to your liking, but honestly, I'm not here to amuse you, I'm here to amuse me. And amused by this thread I was and maybe if someone posits an angle I haven't considered in the future, amused again I will be :)
 
Do you have physical evidence of your claims or just words? Is there a way a stranger like me can be sure? Even if you do have evidence a court of law would make it official. On a private forum like this no one is forced to believe anything.

Hopefully this thread works out for you. But unless there's 100K at the end of this discussion, best to bow out.
 
Do you have physical evidence of your claims or just words? Is there a way a stranger like me can be sure? Even if you do have evidence a court of law would make it official. On a private forum like this no one is forced to believe anything.
For many, god is not about evidence, scientific or otherwise; it is about an experience that translates poorly from person to person. The search for god is not an intellectual exercise and as long as you insist on an intellectually sound and evidence based answer, you will continue to be disappointed. Your apparent insistence that others convince you is the wrong approach.
Spoiler :

The Prophet said:
Your daily life is your temple and your religion.
Whenever you enter into it take with you your all.
Take the plough and the forge and the mallet and the lute,
The things you have fashioned in necessity or for delight.
For in reverie you cannot rise above your achievements nor fall lower than your failures.
And take with you all men And an old priest said, Speak to us of Religion.
And he said:
Have I spoken this day of aught else?
Is not religion all deeds and all reflection,
And that which is neither deed nor reflection, but a wonder and a surprise ever springing in the soul, even while the hands hew the stone or tend the loom?

Who can separate his faith from his actions, or his belief from his occupations?
Who can spread his hours before him, saying, "This for God and this for myself; This for my soul, and this other for my body?"
All your hours are wings that beat through space from self to self.
He who wears his morality but as his best garment were better naked.
The wind and the sun will tear no holes in his skin.
And he who defines his conduct by ethics imprisons his song-bird in a cage.
The freest song comes not through bars and wires.
And he to whom worshipping is a window, to open but also to shut, has not yet visited the house of his soul whose windows are from dawn to dawn.

For in adoration you cannot fly higher than their hopes nor humble yourself lower than their despair.

And if you would know God be not therefore a solver of riddles.
Rather look about you and you shall see Him playing with your children.
And look into space; you shall see Him walking in the cloud, outstretching His arms in the lightning and descending in rain.
You shall see Him smiling in flowers, then rising and waving His hands in trees.
 
There is life after death for atheist?
 
When you begin to die, time starts slowing down in your mind, logarithmically. The first minute feels like a minute, the second one feels like 2 minutes, and so on, until you are living for years and decades while only seconds pass. Your life flashes in front of your eyes, you think you're in heaven or hell, and you exist in a weird land made up by your brain for the rest of eternity, which in real time is actually a couple minutes.

I totally don't believe that any of that is true, but that's one way atheists can achieve immortality.. and even go to heaven! Our own heaven, thought up by our own minds, as opposed to guys who really like raisins or virgins or whatever.

I wish more people accepted that we're only alive once, and that we only have limited time here. I think a lot more would get done! That and I think people would be more kind.
 
When you begin to die, time starts slowing down in your mind, logarithmically. The first minute feels like a minute, the second one feels like 2 minutes, and so on, until you are living for years and decades while only seconds pass. Your life flashes in front of your eyes, you think you're in heaven or hell, and you exist in a weird land made up by your brain for the rest of eternity, which in real time is actually a couple minutes.

Oh wow! I've been bleating on about this for years now. This is the very first time I've seen anyone else mention it.

Which isn't to say it's all mine own original idea of course. It's very likely trivially common. But I've never seen it before.

And, yeah, no doubt it's nonsense.
 
Oh wow! I've been bleating on about this for years now. This is the very first time I've seen anyone else mention it.

Which isn't to say it's all mine own original idea of course. It's very likely trivially common. But I've never seen it before.

And, yeah, no doubt it's nonsense.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was partially true. It would help explain all the "your life flashes in front of your eyes" stuff you hear every once in a while from people "who have been to the other side".
 
Ah, but you see. How do you know that this life you're leading isn't the nth iteration of your life flashing before your very eyes? Because your life flashing before your eyes would also be a part of your life flashing before your eyes, if you see what I mean.

I recall a guy I knew who had his leg amputated by a railway truck running over it. He said his life flashed before his eyes in a kind of series of postcards. Like those "what the butler saw" kind of things.
 
Just in the form of memories and works left behind.

And kids, if you're foolish enough to want to have those.

I appreciate the answer. Not that I have been holding my breath. :mischief:

Is it foolish to have little Ziggy's running around or humanity in general?
 
Ah, but you see. How do you know that this life you're leading isn't the nth iteration of your life flashing before your very eyes? Because your life flashing before your eyes would also be a part of your life flashing before your eyes, if you see what I mean.

I recall a guy I knew who had his leg amputated by a railway truck running over it. He said his life flashed before his eyes in a kind of series of postcards. Like those "what the butler saw" kind of things.

Oh, none of what I've been saying is probably true, I'm just throwing out religious atheist stuff out there ;)

You know, hypotheticals involving scenarios in which you don't need the supernatural to have funky things happening in real life that can't really be explained (today).
 
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