Banned resource graphics mods
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Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
Dave-You can still see them under the fog.
But if that is incorporated into the saved game or art files that are required to play the GOTM (where everybody has them), then it wouldn't be a problem.
But if that is incorporated into the saved game or art files that are required to play the GOTM (where everybody has them), then it wouldn't be a problem.
Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
How would the resources look if the smiley faces/letters were placed directly ON the resource? Would that cover up the resource too much, making them hard to tell apart from one another?
bewareofgnomes
Back Again
i cant see them through the fog. should i get my magnifying glass?
EDIT- After looking *very* closely, i can barely see alittle bit of the h and th i. i dont think this would be cheating, because if you were willing to spend 5 minutes looking at black stuff, you prolly deserve the knowledge.
EDIT- After looking *very* closely, i can barely see alittle bit of the h and th i. i dont think this would be cheating, because if you were willing to spend 5 minutes looking at black stuff, you prolly deserve the knowledge.
Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
bewareofgnomes, I think you need to set up an appointment with your eye doctor 
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Or you are color-blind or have a black/white computer screen. The smilies are easy to see, I can see them rather easily (I can almost see part of the eyes). Way much easier than the little bit of wheat that the game's default graphics sticks out.
.Or you are color-blind or have a black/white computer screen. The smilies are easy to see, I can see them rather easily (I can almost see part of the eyes). Way much easier than the little bit of wheat that the game's default graphics sticks out.
bewareofgnomes
Back Again
on the bottom picture? i think that you are refering to the before pic, while im refering to the after.
Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
Yes, I'm referring to the after (bottom) picture. I can see the corners of the smiley faces. Do you want me to draw some arrows to them?
Look by the tundra (white), that is probably the easiest to see.
Look by the tundra (white), that is probably the easiest to see.
bewareofgnomes
Back Again
some arrows would be nice. maybe its my crappy moniter?
Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
Yeah, maybe I just have a bigger monitor, so I can see it easier.
bewareofgnomes
Back Again
now that you put arrows on them, i can see them, but io wouldnt go out looking for them. i have a very small and crappy panosonic, so it doesnt look like cheating to me, but then again it could to you as they might be bigger on your comp
I really don't know what to say to this thread other than...it's just a game. Some of you are taking the competition aspect of it way too seriously. Play for the fun of it, trust that your peers will play honorably and not cheat on purpose, etc. Sure the competition is a lot of the fun, else I wouldn't have milked my gotm18. But I don't see the use of getting worked up over something as small as this. I don't think the graphics mods should be banned. Everyone has access to them if they want to use them. Personally I don't like modding my graphics so I won't use them no matter what, but I could care less if some other player gets a tiny advantage over me by seeing resources through the fog.
Think about it, reloading your game once or twice because of major mistakes/bad luck would drastically help your game more than these graphics mods, and we would have no way to tell if someone did that. So if someone wants to cheat on purpose they can easily do so without using a graphics mod. I think it would be pretty sad if someone did this though. It's just a game. Winning it is enjoyable, if you deserve it, but when you cheat then what do you get out of winning?
Think about it, reloading your game once or twice because of major mistakes/bad luck would drastically help your game more than these graphics mods, and we would have no way to tell if someone did that. So if someone wants to cheat on purpose they can easily do so without using a graphics mod. I think it would be pretty sad if someone did this though. It's just a game. Winning it is enjoyable, if you deserve it, but when you cheat then what do you get out of winning?
anarres
anarchist revolutionary
Shillen and LKendter, I agree 100%. 
DaveMcW
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Alright, I have created another overlay using only the 2 darkest FogOfWar colors. Why does this remind me of bikini tops? 
Here it is applied to the "After" resources.pcx
Since even Firaxis's resources are failing this test, the prospects of a mod using them are not very good. I might as well just eliminate the resource icons and use letters and smilies in the exact center.
Here it is applied to the "After" resources.pcx
Since even Firaxis's resources are failing this test, the prospects of a mod using them are not very good. I might as well just eliminate the resource icons and use letters and smilies in the exact center.
DaveMcW
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cracker
Gil Favor's Sidekick
Dave,
I really applaud your effort here to help people be in a position to make an informed decision.
I think that last example perhaps helps the colorblind at the expense of not looking good in the game for them or anyone else.
I am taking your inputs to mean that your preference is for visibility icons that are in the same color range of the Shankyburns type indicators instead of the little square blocks with blue and green letters we see in some other examples.
If we narrow the approved set down to few examples do you think it would be good to let the players choose which one we use?
I really applaud your effort here to help people be in a position to make an informed decision.
I think that last example perhaps helps the colorblind at the expense of not looking good in the game for them or anyone else.
I am taking your inputs to mean that your preference is for visibility icons that are in the same color range of the Shankyburns type indicators instead of the little square blocks with blue and green letters we see in some other examples.
If we narrow the approved set down to few examples do you think it would be good to let the players choose which one we use?
Hurricane
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Please, please, please let us keep the mod packs! I am using Heed's resource tabs (those "little square blocks with blue and green letters") and I can't imagine playing without it.
Like others said, the advantage of using the mod is extremely small, and cheaters can much more easily just look into the spoiler threads or reload the game from the start. Also, it is impossible to check if a player has been using a graphics mod or not (unless he is stupid enough to post a screenshot when using that mod).
So, IMHO, a good compromise would be to compile a list of allowed mods, which would include pretty much all of them except the biggest ones (like Alimetando's newest), and perhaps add one of them to the GOTM setup files. Going back to the original crappy graphics would be a bug step backwards, IMHO.
Like others said, the advantage of using the mod is extremely small, and cheaters can much more easily just look into the spoiler threads or reload the game from the start. Also, it is impossible to check if a player has been using a graphics mod or not (unless he is stupid enough to post a screenshot when using that mod).
So, IMHO, a good compromise would be to compile a list of allowed mods, which would include pretty much all of them except the biggest ones (like Alimetando's newest), and perhaps add one of them to the GOTM setup files. Going back to the original crappy graphics would be a bug step backwards, IMHO.
