[R&F] Based on the new features - which civilizations and leaders should be introduced in R&F?

[evanaurora]

To be fair, I think #3 has been talked about mostly in a DLC context/

.....and then we run into the problem of requiring R&F for such DLC, a move that seems very unlikely, although I grant that's a subjective assessment.

 

[blackbutterfly]

For diversity I'd love to see The Inuit. It's my favourite mod/civ from Civ V, cos there're no snow civs. The Eskimo Igloo would be an amazing tile improvement

But i'm not sure if they'd have any particular synergies with the new systems in R&F. Loyalty maybe? IDK

 

[Guatenadian]

For diversity I'd love to see The Inuit. It's my favourite mod/civ from Civ V, cos there're no snow civs. The Eskimo Igloo would be an amazing tile improvement

Ed Beach stated that while Firaxis really wanted to add the Inuit in BNW they couldnt due to a lack of leaders. But who knows, they may very well add them in an expansion.

I'll admit, I'm glad Canada probably wont be in the expansion. Listen, I really want a Canada Civ, but we desperately needed more Indigenous representation in the Americas. Having two colonial Civs in the North America and then having the Aztec just doesn't feel right. Canada is best saved for either a DLC (like Australia) or a future expansion that re-introduces the World Congress.

 

[Kheznik]

Ed Beach stated that while Firaxis really wanted to add the Inuit in BNW they couldnt due to a lack of leaders. But who knows, they may very well add them in an expansion.

I'll admit, I'm glad Canada probably wont be in the expansion. Listen, I really want a Canada Civ, but we desperately needed more Indigenous representation in the Americas. Having two colonial Civs in the North America and then just having the Aztec just doesn't feel right. Canada is best saved for either a DLC (like Australia) or a future expansion that re-introduces the World Congress.

Honestly, having Canada in an expansion always felt odd to me, and I'm really really delighted to see the Cree, since they're one of the native civs I've wanted since at least Civ IV.

It's also a breath of fresh air to finally not have a Native American/Polynesian leader who lived in what is now the United States... Let's hope for some Caribbean and South American native representation (east of the Andes) in the future.

 

[Guatenadian]

Let's hope for some Caribbean and South American native representation (east of the Andes) in the future.

I'm crossing my fingers for the Muisca. More indigenous representation in South America is better for everyone.

 

[Duuk]

It's also a breath of fresh air to finally not have a Native American/Polynesian leader who lived in what is now the United States... Let's hope for some Caribbean and South American native representation (east of the Andes) in the future.

Since we've nailed down most of the civs/leaders so far, I'm hoping xpac 2 is about Empires and colonialism and I'd love to see Simon Bolivar of Gran Columbia.

 

[Sascha77]

one thing I do think people overlook is how different civ 5 and civ 6's mechanics are. Being limited to one city was much less punishing in civ 5. (and yes, conquering, but generally one does that from a starting empire of at least 4-5 cities in civ 6, for the science and decentralized production aspects.)

I don't see why they shouldn't be able to adapt the "Merchant of Venice"-mechanic for Civ VI. Either that or a different unique ability to take over city-states as you could in V.


E.

 

[dnoisette]

I am crossing my fingers for an Italian city-state to be included as a full civ. The Italian renaissance is my favorite period of European history and the French leader is the only thing in game so far that relates to it.
Also hoping that the mandatory inclusion of the Roman Empire doesn't mean we're not getting Italian renaissance city-states or Italy as a modern country...

 

[durfal]

After this surprising Chinese leak my expectations are still on schedule (sort of):
So my predictions didn't change much.
Known:
1/2/3 Korea/Mongolia/Netherlands
4 Cree (North American tribe whose original territory also covers most of Canada was very clever from Firaxis).
Alt Leader : India

Predictions:
5 Ottoman Empire (unchanged)
6 Inca Empire (unchanged)
7 European Civ (Italy or Georgia most likely, lesser chance for the Celts and Portugal)
8 European Civ (Italy or Georgia) or a small chance for an African Civ (Ashanti or Mali)

Since every expansion in the civ series has gotten 3 European civs so far I don't expect that to change, and since the Ottomans and the Inca are practically musts now, and Isabellla (Spain) isn't coming either, I suspect that there will be no African civ in the expansion. Also since Isabella isn't added we are getting at least one more female leader and though they can give us one out of the left field for one of the other civs. Tamar of Georgia seems to become more and more likely.
Which would give 3 new civs to the series (Cree/Italy/Georgia), 3 female leaders (Netherlands/Korea/Georgia) and 2 new regions (Canadian Territory and the Caucasus). I think Georgia is the most obvious of the 2 European civs so if Italy falls out for an African civ I hope it is the Ashanti because, they can get a new region (Coastal west Africa), a new Civ to the series and can get a good female new leader (Yaa Asantewaa).

 

[King William I]

Here's my list.

Confirmed:
Korea
Netherlands
Mongolia

Semi-Confirmed:
Cree
Alt-India

Predictions:

Ottoman Empire - For some reason I'm seeing Mehmed II with a bonus to siege weapons and the Orange/White scheme.

Italy - An amalgam of Renaissance city states doesn't bother me. Also adding up the plague doctor, lack of Italian city states, the explorer (most explorers were Italians). And if it were just one city becoming a civ, then other city-states would've been seen by now. Just sayin'

Inca - I just don't see an x-pac without a staple native civ and the Maya are out. The could also have Australia's old colors.

Georgia - Female leader that interacts with age system. Community wishlist. Never before seen civ. Underrepresented area. (Eastern Europe hardly gets any love.)

 

[thecrazyscot]

I'm baffled why people think Italy is likely. I could see a City-State like Venice or Genoa or something like that, but a united Italy? That's rather far fetched. I'll grant it's possible, but it would certainly be a left-field decision.

 

[DeepKing]

I'm baffled why people think Italy is likely. I could see a City-State like Venice or Genoa or something like that, but a united Italy? That's rather far fetched. I'll grant it's possible, but it would certainly be a left-field decision.

I think Italy is a long shot too, but people keep proposing it so it’s hard to say there’s no chance.

 

[blackcatatonic]

I'm baffled why people think Italy is likely. I could see a City-State like Venice or Genoa or something like that, but a united Italy? That's rather far fetched. I'll grant it's possible, but it would certainly be a left-field decision.

I think the main reason is the total absence of any Italian City-States in the game, after Civ V had so many. Venice, Florence, Genoa and Milan during the Renaissance especially are pretty emblematic of the whole historical concept of city-states, so their omission is pretty striking. If a single-city Civ were on the cards I'd expect to see one of them missing, but all of them? That can't be accidental. The most logical explanation is that they are planning a Civ which will use at least some of the Italian city-state names in its city list.

I could of course be wrong, and you're right that it's a left-field decision, but then again, nothing like Venice in Civ V had been done before - Italy could just be Civ 6's take on it.

 

[Duuk]

I think the main reason is the total absence of any Italian City-States in the game, after Civ V had so many. Venice, Florence, Genoa and Milan during the Renaissance especially are pretty emblematic of the whole historical concept of city-states, so their omission is pretty striking. If a single-city Civ were on the cards I'd expect to see one of them missing, but all of them? That can't be accidental. The most logical explanation is that they are planning a Civ which will use at least some of the Italian city-state names in its city list.

I could of course be wrong, and you're right that it's a left-field decision, but then again, nothing like Venice in Civ V had been done before - Italy could just be Civ 6's take on it.

That's kind of my exact logic. The fact that not one of the Italian city-states exists as a city state is rather damning. It's one thing to say "well that doesn't mean anything", but if literally ANYONE with any historical knowledge was making a list of famous city states or free cities throughout history, and were given some categories like "merchant focus", "military focus", etc, the list would be dominated by the Greek city states (which have been modeled as a "Greek Civilization" since literally Civ1) and then the Italian city-states. Genoa, Venice, Milan for sure would be on the list. But NOT ONE of them is represented as a city state in Civ6? That doesn't strike people as odd?

Not only will I put my reputation on the line (lol) and say Italy is a civ in R+F, but I'll even admit who I would love to see as the ruler: Beatrice of Bar.

 

[King William I]

I'd rather see Victor Emmanuel II with a bonus toward conquering city stateso and free cities

 

[DeepKing]

That'd be too close to Frederick's ability, wouldn't it?

 

[King William I]

Freddy gets a bonus to units. I'm thinking the city itself, or even no warmonger penalty if you border it or sonething

 

[Xandinho]

Updating my bets:

1. Korea - Confirmed
2. Netherlands - Confirmed
3. Mongolia - Confirmed

4. Cree - Basically confirmed

5. Ottomans - I keep thinking that we will see the Ottomans in this expansion. As I said before, they can get the Grand Bazaar with an unique district.
6. Georgia - A lot of evidence, and Tamar is an iconic female leader, and they are looking for female leaders.
7. Ashanti - They have an interesting female leader (Yaa Asantewaa), and they are in a region not represented by civs yet.
8. Carthage/Portugal - Carthage because I think we'll have some civ from the ancient/ classical era. Or Portugal because of navigation scene, if it is not reference to Isabella, can be a reference to Portugal. Anyway, I think we'll see one of them.

Note: No Incas in my bets this time. With Cree being included, I am very pessimistic that they will include two Native American civilizations.

Alternative leader: Chandragupta Maurya of India - Basically confirmed

 

[Bosque]

That'd be too close to Frederick's ability, wouldn't it?

Perhaps an Italian ability would be increased loyalty pressure on nearby city states, making it easy to flip them?

 

[Phrozen]

Perhaps an Italian ability would be increased loyalty pressure on nearby city states, making it easy to flip them?

Garibaldi.

Expedition of the Thousand. Combat bonus against cities with low loyalty to their owner.