[R&F] Based on the new features - which civilizations and leaders should be introduced in R&F?

[Guandao]

100%

I personally don't think an Italian Civ is in the cards at all, and I do think that Africa will get a representative of one kind or another.
Although it's not 100% yet, the leak of the Cree and Not-Gandhi goes to show that the trailer doesn't indicate every Civ that will be in R&F. Unless I am missing some clue, neither of them are referenced in the trailer.

Yeah, we've reached the point where it's no use examining the trailer for clues for upcoming Civs.

 

[Remmert]

Yeah, we've reached the point where it's no use examining the trailer for clues for upcoming Civs.

You mean the crow-doctor? wich was in common during the plague in Italy?
For my account I prefer to see the Papal states as CS as a civ

 

[Guandao]

You mean the crow-doctor? wich was in common during the plague in Italy?
For my account I prefer to see the Papal states as CS as a civ

Well, there's the Plague Doctor, the exploring ship, and the apparent Georgian soldiers defending against the Mongols as possible clues to new Civs.

 

[Ever Adrift]

With the introduction of free states, a more complex alliance system and - hopefully - a more nuanced diplomacy system - is it possible that they introduce the major Italian city states as some kind of special 'free states' or as part of a new kind of city state that can interact and make alliances with free states. Perhaps even a system allowing free states and city states to form alliances? No Italian Civ, but empowering free states and city states in ways that allow the introduction of Genoa, Florence, Venice, the Papal States, etc. as more than a novelty form of city-states/free-states...

 

[Mr Jon of Cheam]

I'm going to have to watch the trailer again, because I'm not as 100% sold on Ottomans as everyone else.

I'm with you on Inca and Georgia, I'm thinking Zulu for Africa (because how can we have Civ without Shaka?), and I'm 100% on Italy.

How can you be 100% on Italy?

 

[Browd]

Just means he has no doubts about the inclusion of Italy.

Remember the quote (attributed to many through the years): “Often wrong, but never in doubt.”

 

[Lord Lakely]

I feel like we can definitely expect SOME part of Italy in the future, but if it's for this expansion... Nothing is certain. Even the Ottomans, the Inca and freaking Georgia aren't locks. For all we know the last four civs are Mitanni, Dahomey, Zapotec and Burma.

That said, Italy would indisputably merit inclusion and it's a shame it took five editions of Civ to finally garner representation.

 

[Staal]

So... you want white European settlers to be included as a civilization representing Sub-Saharan Africa, one of the most under-represented regions of the world throughout all civ games?

Yes please. They have an interesting history far more so than the Zulus.

 

[Ever Adrift]

I feel like we can definitely expect SOME part of Italy in the future, but if it's for this expansion... Nothing is certain. Even the Ottomans, the Inca and freaking Georgia aren't locks. For all we know the last four civs are Mitanni, Dahomey, Zapotec and Burma.

That said, Italy would indisputably merit inclusion and it's a shame it took five editions of Civ to finally garner representation.

I would be really happy and much more enthusiastic if the final four civilizations were all major surprises with civilizations that had not appeared previously. I'd personally love Madagascar, Maori, Siam and Gran Colombia.

 

[Siptah]

I would be really happy and much more enthusiastic if the final four civilizations were all major surprises with civilizations that had not appeared previously. I'd personally love Madagascar, Maori, Siam and Gran Colombia.

Siam appeared in civ V though.

 

[God of Kings]

Siam appeared in civ V though.

Canada would be a greater surprise than Siam, but Canada is much more likely to show as DLC.

 

[Ever Adrift]

Siam appeared in civ V though.

I know; I was just stating civs I'd really like to see representing a good global spread and which would be unexpected. My studies focus on Thailand so I couldn't help it.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I think Siam are out because it's very hard to make both them AND the Khmer work, not to mention FOUR Civs from east asia were added in recent dlcs/expansions PLUS an alt-leader from India. If that region gets one more Civ, it'll be very generous.

I do think it's more viable to have Khmerbodia and Siam in the same game than having Babylon, Sumeria and Assyria. (which is an absolute nightmare in terms of city lists, finding unique abilities, etc. Like... just add the Hittites, Armenia or Phoenicia already for your Ancient Mesopotamian Civ kick.)

 

[Greek Stud]

The Italian civilization makes a lot of sense to me regarding loyalty and alliances. Papal States, Siena, Florence, Genoa, Milan, Savoy, Saluzzo, Montferrat, Trent, Mantua, Lucca, Modena, Ferrara, San Marino, Venice, Naples, Pontecorvo, Benevento, Corsica, Sardinia, Syracuse and Palermo. Italy can settle city states instead of new cities with a type of special loyalty bonus and each city state can produce its own specialized resource or luxury. I mean, in history texts, at about 1455 they label this movement as "The Rise & Alliances of the Italian City States."

http://study.com/academy/lesson/the-rise-alliance-of-the-Italian-city-states.html

Similarly, we might see a Peloponnesian War scenario using the same mechanics that Italy builds out to have a Delian League versus Peloponnesian League with Macedon and Achaemenid Empire offering support.

 

[Phoenix1595]

Yeah, we've reached the point where it's no use examining the trailer for clues for upcoming Civs.

What do you mean? I can clearly see a very shiny and buff Chandragupta tearing down the Berlin Wall in the background! Never doubt the integrity of trailer spoilers!!!

 

[Vahnstad]

Zulu or another warmongering civ seems pretty unlikely now, since we've got two. We can however still have an aggressive civ (but not as much as the ones we know, and definitely civs where it's all about warfare).

 

[Amrunril]

Didn't Ed Beach wrote "one leader could be a leader of many civs" or something?

Sounds like Garibaldi to me.

Unfortunately not. The statement was that the 9 new leaders would be the leaders of the 8 new civs, plus one more who "could go anywhere", meaning that, at the time (we now know it's Chandragupta Maurya of India) they weren't yet confirming which civ the leader would correspond to. I'd love to be able to use the same leader for multiple civs (and for this to be a general feature rather than being restricted to a specific leader), but it's not what Ed Beach was describing, nor is it something the devs haven't shown any interest in enabling.

 

[liv]

Zulu or another warmongering civ seems pretty unlikely now, since we've got two. We can however still have an aggressive civ (but not as much as the ones we know, and definitely civs where it's all about warfare).

I too hope this means we get some civs with other abilities for the rest of them. They are introducing some new elements so they can have civs using those elements more. There should be an alliance civ (maybe that is the Cree), a culture civ, a religious civ yet to come.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I too hope this means we get some civs with other abilities for the rest of them. They are introducing some new elements so they can have civs using those elements more. There should be an alliance civ (maybe that is the Cree), a culture civ, a religious civ yet to come.

I don't think we are going to get a religious civ unless it incorporates or supplements its religiosity with new game mechanics. This could be Georgia.

I'm hoping Cree use the new alliance system, and Ottomans are the culture civ. The domination-focused Ottomans of Civ V were a bit of a drag. I also hope the Inca use Governors but in a different way than Korea.

 

[dnoisette]

I'm honestly getting a bit worried that my favorite civ won't make it for this first expansion: the Celts have always been included in the first xpac but assuming Inca and Ottoman are in, and with no African civ having been revealed so far, that doesn't leave much room for more "European" Civs...