[R&F] Based on the new features - which civilizations and leaders should be introduced in R&F?

I am aghast no one has mentioned the Inca before. :joke:

But, wouldn't be wonderful if they could build roads on mountain hexes? And other civs could use them only if at war with them? But not any kind of war, maybe Holy War or Colonial war only. And, maybe allies could use them as well.
 
There's always Battista sforza, the consort of Federico da Montefeltro, but seeing Urbino as the capital of Italy would just look... Awkward. It's a city with not even 20.000 inhabitants, ruling over metropolises like Milan, Naples or Turin
 
Maybe Lucrezia Borgia or Matilda of Canossa, since Catherine de Medici went off to France of course.

Lucrezia was basically a pawn in her father's schemes, married off to one man after another in order to secure whatever alliance her father required at the time. The one time she had a relationship of her choosing, the guy's body was fished out of the Tiber. She was also rumored to be an adept poisoner. But none of this points to her having any position of leadership, whether direct or indirect. I actually feel sorry for her.

Matilda could work. I hadn't looked her up before. I doubt she would work though if Tamar of Georgia is a thing. That would be 4 Medieval leaders in the expansion, 3 of which would be women. And I think Firaxis would lean towards a Renaissance or Industrial era Italy, not Medieval.
 
Caterina Sforza would probably be the best option for the renaissance female leader. Though she ruled a small but strategically important city-state, today only about 70,000 people. She was quite fierce though and heavily involved in the politics of the day. She took her army and resisted a siege while seven months pregnant.
 
Matilda could work. I hadn't looked her up before. I doubt she would work though if Tamar of Georgia is a thing. That would be 4 Medieval leaders in the expansion, 3 of which would be women. And I think Firaxis would lean towards a Renaissance or Industrial era Italy, not Medieval.

Matilda of Canossa would be an interesting choice I think. She ruled Tuscany and a sizeable chunk of Lombardy for about 60 years and was even crowned vice-queen of Italy by the Holy Roman Emperor Heny V, although she'd been fighting his father Henry IV for 20 years before that. That would be a good representation of medieval Italy fighting against imperialistic Germany as she was a staunch ally to the Pope. Her capital could either be Canossa - where she actually ruled - or Florence as the capital city of Tuscany.
 
Lucretia Borgia was appointed Governor of Spoleto (herself, not her husband). And she was a renowned duchess consort.

Catherine de Medici needs someone like her to give her a run for her money in the courtly intrigue business.

Plus the fanboys would be happy to have her, since she was supposedly one of the most beautiful women of the age. Lord Byron had a crush on her centuries after her death and supposedly stole a lock of her hair from a museum.
 
Lucrezia was basically a pawn in her father's schemes, married off to one man after another in order to secure whatever alliance her father required at the time. The one time she had a relationship of her choosing, the guy's body was fished out of the Tiber. She was also rumored to be an adept poisoner. But none of this points to her having any position of leadership, whether direct or indirect. I actually feel sorry for her.

Matilda could work. I hadn't looked her up before. I doubt she would work though if Tamar of Georgia is a thing. That would be 4 Medieval leaders in the expansion, 3 of which would be women. And I think Firaxis would lean towards a Renaissance or Industrial era Italy, not Medieval.

Isabella d'Esta is another one that would be good
 
You know, speaking of influential powers behind the throne, what about Roxelana for the Turks?
 
You know, speaking of influential powers behind the throne, what about Roxelana for the Turks?

She has been brought up in the Female Leaders thread in the Ideas forum. It's kind of a duel between her and Kosem. As powers behind the throne go, the Ottoman ones might be the most interesting since they started out as kidnapped peasants, sold into slavery, and become harem girls that eventually secure influence over the Sultan.
 
Personally, I think there should be more limitation based on what animals are available to your civ for husbandry.

No horses on your continent? Then no cavalry, just like the pre-Columbian New World. Camels or elephants in your territory? Then you get to use those animals. Otherwise you must trade for them or do without.

I like the possibility of exotic and diverse armies comprised of whatever you can come up with.
I would enjoy striking the fear of God into the hearts of my enemies with my terrifying regiments of sheep cavalry :P
 
I honestly would be surprised if they did Carthage with out the North African elephants. It’s too iconic for them to pass up.
The only way I would see that happening is if Hannibal was the leader with it as a UU. Otherwise they should get some sort of ancient/classical era ship. I honestly wouldn't mind this as long as the UA was more based on commerce.

By the way, I love that we all seem to have decided that 1) Renaissance Italy should be a civ and 2) it should be led by a woman.

:)
I'm not sure what woman would make since as a leader. I don't mind adding women but were there any actual rulers?
 
Matilda of Canossa would be an interesting choice I think. She ruled Tuscany and a sizeable chunk of Lombardy for about 60 years and was even crowned vice-queen of Italy by the Holy Roman Emperor Heny V, although she'd been fighting his father Henry IV for 20 years before that. That would be a good representation of medieval Italy fighting against imperialistic Germany as she was a staunch ally to the Pope. Her capital could either be Canossa - where she actually ruled - or Florence as the capital city of Tuscany.
I'd prefer her mother, Beatrice of Bar.
 
So I think what I am hearing is the last 4 are:

Georgia led by Jimmy Carter
The Celtics led by Larry Bird
Italy led by Chef Boyardee
Turkey led by Sultan Drumstick the Dark(meat)

Is that where we are heading? :mischief:

OK.... getting back to "work" at this very empty office.
 
I am aghast no one has mentioned the Inca before. :joke:

But, wouldn't be wonderful if they could build roads on mountain hexes? And other civs could use them only if at war with them? But not any kind of war, maybe Holy War or Colonial war only. And, maybe allies could use them as well.
Not roads necessarily, but I can see them having districts buildable on mountain tiles (with the tile they're built on included in the adjacency bonus), with the exception for game reasons of encampments. Districts don't necessarily need to have it possible for units to go into the space if that causes problems. The art would have to be custom because you'd still want to see the mountains. Machu Picchu could be a unique holy site or government district utilizing this ability further.

Terrace Farms like in V are a very VI-like UI, and they might be the inspiration for the new ones, but they could want to try something new this time.
 
Not roads necessarily, but I can see them having districts buildable on mountain tiles (with the tile they're built on included in the adjacency bonus), with the exception for game reasons of encampments. Districts don't necessarily need to have it possible for units to go into the space if that causes problems. The art would have to be custom because you'd still want to see the mountains. Machu Picchu could be a unique holy site or government district utilizing this ability further.

Terrace Farms like in V are a very VI-like UI, and they might be the inspiration for the new ones, but they could want to try something new this time.

Ed has cited the Inca terrace farms in Civ V as the first test run for his adjacency idea that he writ large in Civ VI districts.
 
Ed has cited the Inca terrace farms in Civ V as the first test run for his adjacency idea that he writ large in Civ VI districts.
I didn't see that but I'm not surprised at all. They were by far my favorite civ to play as they were so different in how you viewed the map.
 
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