Battlefield Asia: The Mod(Idea Stage...comments please with cherrys on top..)
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ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
we need more of the north
can you make something like this
can you make something like this
Goldflash
Civ III Modder, Civ VII Player
Xiong-Nu
Uhigur
Kara-Khitai
Manchu
And For God Sakes take the 'Huns' Out. They're so.. Generic.
And about map.... I say we should make our own damn map with an oversized Korea and Japan...
Uhigur
Kara-Khitai
Manchu
And For God Sakes take the 'Huns' Out. They're so.. Generic.
And about map.... I say we should make our own damn map with an oversized Korea and Japan...
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
what about Japan and Korea? I traced it from a real map of Asia I think the size is perfect I havent seen a map were Kyushu was smaller than taiwan or the northern island of the Philipeans is larger than Korea. Or are you saying Japan should be bigger? I dont understand well....
I was thinking of changing it to the Turks instead, but really the huns were more powerful than the Xiongnu and have has a bigger impact on world history
I was thinking of changing it to the Turks instead, but really the huns were more powerful than the Xiongnu and have has a bigger impact on world history
Goldflash
Civ III Modder, Civ VII Player
Yes, Larger. AS in More Land. Because they're Really Cool nations and in terms of playing space they don't have much.... of course, thats why you expand 
Also, I will fight tooth and Nail against having a 'hun/turk' Civ. Thats so.... infantile, uneducated, Stereotypical... BAD.
We will have the Uhiguir, the Xiong-Nu, the Khara-Khitai, and the Manchu So Help me GOD.
Also, I will fight tooth and Nail against having a 'hun/turk' Civ. Thats so.... infantile, uneducated, Stereotypical... BAD.
We will have the Uhiguir, the Xiong-Nu, the Khara-Khitai, and the Manchu So Help me GOD.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
I think the map shouldnt be edited to make anything bigger, if japan is bigger it wont change the game play that much.
why is that bad? Turks come from Mongolia, and created nations in china the middle east and africa. They are a race of people who have done alot. I dont understand why you dont want them. and the Huns (who are also part turkish) come from the same place and moved into china then europe and then split into the "white-huns" who moved into india. What is your problem with them? The only real problem I see is that they have the same civ properties as the mongols (maybe because they are from the same place?)
why is that bad? Turks come from Mongolia, and created nations in china the middle east and africa. They are a race of people who have done alot. I dont understand why you dont want them. and the Huns (who are also part turkish) come from the same place and moved into china then europe and then split into the "white-huns" who moved into india. What is your problem with them? The only real problem I see is that they have the same civ properties as the mongols (maybe because they are from the same place?)
Goldflash
Civ III Modder, Civ VII Player
ShiroKobbure said:
Fine. Screw Japan. Just Make Korea Bigger.
Having a Civ of 'Turks' or 'Huns' is simply lumping all of Central Aisa together. Its more Diverse than that. It would be like having a civilization of 'Asians', encompasing ALL of Asia, or of 'Europeans' having ALL of Europe. You're Japanese. I *know* your people feel that they are Different than the Koreans and the Chinese, and I know it works the other way. And The French are different than the Germans who are different than the spanish and so on. There are simply BETTER, more Diverse ways to represent the Central Asians.
Goldflash
Civ III Modder, Civ VII Player
And here is Shiro's Map with my Nomads.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
but the turks are a race of people like the huns who started in as a small tribe who later grew into a diverse "race" the turks have their own language, asia does not. Just because now the turks are a race that spreads from mongolia to turkey, and are not very pure mostly mixed into the native races. They were at one point a tribe in mongolia, like the Xiong-nu, but instead of deing out. The turks built states from china to africa. and like the mongols, not everyone in mongolia was part of the mongol tribe they grew. Just like the Turks. Im not using the Turks as a replacement for central asia, Im choosing a tribe of people from mongolia/sibera who have left behind more than any other central asian civ. Do you understand what Im saying?
your thinking- turks all central asians or someting
my thinking- a race of people who started as a tribe and spread into all of central asia
your thinking- turks all central asians or someting
my thinking- a race of people who started as a tribe and spread into all of central asia
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
and having 5 nomad civs with the same civ traits? their UUs being horse archer?
King Coltrane
King
hey guys, i have a couple of ideas. first off, why not put a Szechuan (bad speller, sorry) civ in south-western china? it could help balance china out and prevent a superpower type situation. this region was often independant of the north (invading peoples) or the south('native chinese'). alos, i thik a civ for the tarim basin is a must. this region was rich and fertile and strategically important from the time of Han (250s) well into the time of Ghengis and even Timur. they should be "comercial and agricultural" and i can get a leader name of, say a powerful king of Tashkent. As far as the manchus go... its a toss up. they did come to prominance around the song dynasty period when the north was being overrun by tribe after tribe and after that they became prominent.. ie manchu dynasty. oh and btw, Xiongnu ->Hsung-nu->Huns ...they are the same thing. i also think there should be a central indian kingdom if thats possible. i dont know nearly as much about ancient india as i do about china but that region (a big one too) seems empty. thats all for now but id be glad to help with anything you may need, especially historical questions about china (I LOVES EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
Yes the huns were the Xiong nu, but I think they did more as the hsiung nu or to westerners the Huns. although they have the same traits are are near the same place they are 2 different tribes, the Xiong nu were closer to China I think, while the Huns were more northern and later on moved into china. Right now Im reading about the huns but its too long +_+. if anyone was to read too http://www.uglychinese.org/hun.htm#origin
I think it would be better if you mape the map as a snap shot, like make the civs set to maybe 0bc or so, and place the cities like that, because siam and the 3 chinese states started in china along the river, when is the best time you think King for a time with only 3 chinese states or so? "china" southern china Yue and maybe a northern chinese state, the mongols can just be one city with a large army.
what do you think?
I think it would be better if you mape the map as a snap shot, like make the civs set to maybe 0bc or so, and place the cities like that, because siam and the 3 chinese states started in china along the river, when is the best time you think King for a time with only 3 chinese states or so? "china" southern china Yue and maybe a northern chinese state, the mongols can just be one city with a large army.
what do you think?
Ok, I can crop my map so its more north fairly easily, Korea is pretty big on that map, and Japan is too, I think their normal size is more then adaquite...This map is quite big, probaly on the verge of being too big.
I don't want to feel like I am pushing my map on you or anything, But I think, once I just push it alittle more north, that it should be perfect for what you want.
I don't want to feel like I am pushing my map on you or anything, But I think, once I just push it alittle more north, that it should be perfect for what you want.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
your not pushing your map on us we are begging you for a map ^ ^;;
dont make korea or japan bigger the world is as it is
dont make korea or japan bigger the world is as it is
Goldflash
Civ III Modder, Civ VII Player
They woould not all have the same traits and all have the horse archer as a UU!! Thats Crazy. You with your bad perceptions about Central Asia
The Uhiguirs Would be Commerical and expansionistic
Xiong-Nu Militaristic and Agricultural with a UU
Manchu Expansiontic and Commerical
Kara-Khitai Relgious and Militaristic
The Uhiguirs Would be Commerical and expansionistic
Xiong-Nu Militaristic and Agricultural with a UU
Manchu Expansiontic and Commerical
Kara-Khitai Relgious and Militaristic
Just curious on my map, why do we need that much of Russia anyways? I think I did cut off the very top quarter of Mongolia, but thats not really much anyways..Historically, itx probaly like 1/15 of Mongolia, considering China, still posses about half the country, in the province Outer Mongolia.
Oh, and I thought we were including Vietnam, because South East Asia, has the room on this map.
Oh, and I thought we were including Vietnam, because South East Asia, has the room on this map.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
Bombshoo I guess you dont have to push it up that much , but could you skew it vertically? it looks squshed
the vietnamese were the Khmer
is is one reason I want to do the snapshot instead of starting off at 5000 bc and placing civs like siam japan or whatever that dont even exsit yet.
why would the xiong nu be agricultural?
you said they were nomads, and nomads from central asia/mongolia have the same basic traits from the xiongnu to the huns in the west to the mongols, dependence on the horse as both a food and military source. the stepes of china are bad for growing crops and they are nomads the term nomad usually means they dont rely much on crops.
here is what I know about central asia and northern china the majority wasnt farm land because is not very good contitions.
as for the Uhiguirs:
"The Chinese sources indicate that the Uygurs are the direct descendants of the Huns"
"The Uygurs (or those tribes that would eventually be recognised as Uygurs) (see footnote) were first recognised by history with reference to them in Han Dynasty, Greek and Iranian records as being identified as a peoples traced back in Central Asia circa 300 B.C.E."
and it would seem they also have TURKish blood in them.
Frankly I would like to have the mongols, turks, and the Xiong-nu(HUNS)
let me post a snapshot map photo
the vietnamese were the Khmer
is is one reason I want to do the snapshot instead of starting off at 5000 bc and placing civs like siam japan or whatever that dont even exsit yet.
why would the xiong nu be agricultural?
you said they were nomads, and nomads from central asia/mongolia have the same basic traits from the xiongnu to the huns in the west to the mongols, dependence on the horse as both a food and military source. the stepes of china are bad for growing crops and they are nomads the term nomad usually means they dont rely much on crops.
here is what I know about central asia and northern china the majority wasnt farm land because is not very good contitions.
as for the Uhiguirs:
"The Chinese sources indicate that the Uygurs are the direct descendants of the Huns"
"The Uygurs (or those tribes that would eventually be recognised as Uygurs) (see footnote) were first recognised by history with reference to them in Han Dynasty, Greek and Iranian records as being identified as a peoples traced back in Central Asia circa 300 B.C.E."
and it would seem they also have TURKish blood in them.
Frankly I would like to have the mongols, turks, and the Xiong-nu(HUNS)
let me post a snapshot map photo
Ogedei_the_Mad
Caffeinated Khagan
The Manchu should have a "Bannerman" UU. The Eight Banners system was an administrative and military organization system utilized by the Manchus. It was a highly organized and effective system. In the Qing dynasty Eight Banners formed the core elite of the Empire.
I don't know about the others, though.
If you're going to have more than one UU, the Mongols could also have Chinese Siege Engineers and Turkic Auxiliaries (the Mongols employed a wide variety of ethnicities and utilized their talents).
Vietnamese people are NOT Khmer. They were subjects of the Khmer Empire (and the Chinese, and the French, etc.), but they were different culturally, linguistically, and religiously. Vietnam may have often been a vassal state, but at certain periods of time, it was independent. If you are going to include Vietnam you can add the kingdom of "Trung Bo" (the local name before it was given a provincial name of "Annam", meaning "Pacified South") with its capital at Hue. Trung Bo was a kingdom in Central Vietnam.
I don't know about the others, though.
If you're going to have more than one UU, the Mongols could also have Chinese Siege Engineers and Turkic Auxiliaries (the Mongols employed a wide variety of ethnicities and utilized their talents).
Vietnamese people are NOT Khmer. They were subjects of the Khmer Empire (and the Chinese, and the French, etc.), but they were different culturally, linguistically, and religiously. Vietnam may have often been a vassal state, but at certain periods of time, it was independent. If you are going to include Vietnam you can add the kingdom of "Trung Bo" (the local name before it was given a provincial name of "Annam", meaning "Pacified South") with its capital at Hue. Trung Bo was a kingdom in Central Vietnam.
Master Kodama
Nitpicker
I agree, bombshoo. I think the amount of northern territory that Shiro suggests be included is a bit overmuch -- a lot of that is going to be Siberian tundra and the Gobi Desert, and/or places that in the real world that have little to no population or significance that could be translated into Civ terms.
As for the civs -- the Uighurs (I'm pretty damn sure that's the correct spelling, at least that's how I remember a professor of Chinese Language and Cultural Studies spelling it) ARE a Turkic people, so instead of including a "Turks" civ, stick with the Uighurs. Otherwise people will just think of modern/Ottoman Turkey. It doesn't matter too much whether you have have the Huns or the Xiong-Nu, since their of the same origin, but for a UU, instead of giving the same one as the Mongols (Keshik), they could have an earlier horse archer unit, since they used horse archers effectively at a much earlier date (almost 1000 years prior, I think) than the great conquests of the Mongols.
As for the civs -- the Uighurs (I'm pretty damn sure that's the correct spelling, at least that's how I remember a professor of Chinese Language and Cultural Studies spelling it) ARE a Turkic people, so instead of including a "Turks" civ, stick with the Uighurs. Otherwise people will just think of modern/Ottoman Turkey. It doesn't matter too much whether you have have the Huns or the Xiong-Nu, since their of the same origin, but for a UU, instead of giving the same one as the Mongols (Keshik), they could have an earlier horse archer unit, since they used horse archers effectively at a much earlier date (almost 1000 years prior, I think) than the great conquests of the Mongols.
Master Kodama
Nitpicker
Shiro, if these "Chinese sources" are modern sources, I would personally be skeptical. The modern Chinese administration wants to think that they have a long-established historical right to all the lands they now control -- that includes Uighur lands -- and I wouldn't put it past them (or most any government, including my own) to say things like "people A are the descendants of people B, who we conquered/ruled over in XXX BC" regardless of possible contrary evidence.ShiroKobbure said:
